I cannot understand why this discussion is continuing.
Templar, are you a certified safety expert able to give formal advice on the US requirements for the strength of impact protection of the type used in airsoft and paintball? If so, please quote your certifications. If not, please remember you are advising someone on how to build something that they have a good possiblity of getting injured in. We all know where that leads.
The 405th is a group dedicated to creating costumes in tribute to the Halo games.
They are not intended to be used for inherently dangerous hobbies such as airsoft or paintball. The equipment used in those sports is certified as safe for those activities.
If anyone were to use an idea or technique suggested on the 405th and get injured, it is possible that the staff here could be found liable. Therefore such discussions are normally closed and deleted when found by an administrator.
In short, if you enjoy airsoft or paintball, that is great! But please take discussion of your hobby to an appropriate forum. This is a forum to help you create a costume, not protective equipment.
If you aren't convinced, watch this video again:
Roadkiller, I live in the UK. At my local airsoft field the ONLY rule that concerns cloths are that you have suitable eye wear. It doesn't matter in any way if the helmet fails because normally I go with just the standard cheap glasses/ goggles. I have also taken a spray of BB's across the face (by one of the martial suped up guns) and although it hurt, quite a bit, it was in no way dangerous. Basically, at the end of the day, any helmet that I make, with our without your help, will only be extra protection compared to what I normally use (goggles). If it would put your mind at ease just don't advise me on how to make the visor, Ill probably just end up cutting up my goggles and sticking them on anyway. One last thing, in the UK we barely ever sue people, my mum tripped over some wires in work last week and has been off work since she cant move her arm and even thought it was all caught on CCTV she is doing nothing about it. Don't know why were like this suppose we just are. Anyway to rap up, I'm not going to sue you, you've been far to helpfull and friendly
I am not an official safety expert (I am really not sure what position you are actually referring to), but I sure as hell have done my research. Kydex will take a paintball at point blank range. Commercial paintball chest protectors are made of EVA foam and Terry cloth (and are not certified for anything). Almost all paintball lenses are made of Polycarbonate. Thermal lenses are made out of two layers of Polycarbonate in order to catch an air pocket inbetween (prevents fog). All of those statements are indisputable facts. I only made one conjecture (Task 12 Plastic may or may not stop a paintball) and I made sure that everyone knew it was an untested statement. I am very well aware of what I am advising, sir.
The difference between you and I is that I approach this from the standpoint of liberty while you look at it from the standpoint of fear. When I see this, I see an opportunity to expand this community's knowledge and even create a new facet of prop armor making! If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. The only thing we have to gain is knowledge. You, on the other hand, look at this as an opportunity to get hurt. People will get blinded and/or sued. The whole universe will implode if someone creates faulty armor. That all may or may not happen, but I will not let that fear run my life.
Think about it this way. In a plane, there is a chance it could explode. There is a chance that the pilot will fall asleep and the plane will crash. There is a chance that while I stand up to let my brother get out to go to the restroom, turbulence knocks the hot cup of coffee out of my hand and sends it flying onto the passenger beside me resulting in a lawsuit. Does that mean I should never fly? Absolutely not. I will not let that fear control me or my behaviors.
I swear to you that I am not trying to be mean. I only want you to realize something. This country has become so afraid of every little shadow that it stifles ingenuity. We could really be on to something in this thread. If we let fear rule us, we will never be able to realize the full potential of this idea. We may not be onto anything at all. We will test the hell out of it and if it doesn't work, its our loss, not yours. Watch October Sky. Think they had any safety certifications?
Let me end by saying this. America has historically been a nation of problem solvers. If it is to survive, it will stay a nation of problem solvers. If we can figure out how to land a man on the moon, then we can sure as hell figure out how to stop a paint filled plastic ball.
But though we strike from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
I also dont see how this site could be liable for advise given about and unknown subject. If one of your members had said "use (insert material) to make your helmet" and it had failed on me then MAYBE just maybe you may be liable but I think you have made it quite clear to me that this is all experimental and you are not endorsing it. All that has been said are just suggestions and theories and they may not be 100% safe. At the end of the day, if this gets made Im going to but on my goggles under the helmet for the first couple of games just to make SURE that its 100% safe. I can understand where your coming from. It is quite well known that in america people getting sued is quite bad and even becoming problem but please trust me in saying that such a case wouldn't even stand a chance in the UK.
Anyway if this helps: I officially understand that the information given to me by this forum and/or any of its members may or may not be correct or accurate regarding any aspects of discussion. Any and all things made with the help or guidance of this forum and/or its members may or may not be up to the safety standards that are required in airsofting, paintballing or any similar sport and so take it that any injuries or death in such a sport will be accountable to only myself (Jake Harry Sumecki).
Now I'm no lawyer but if I ever were to sue you on the basis of providing faulty information that got me injured I'm pretty sure holding that little paragraph up will provide a pretty much watertight defence chill out people
So no one from the US talking about making the equipment "safe" is ANSI Safety certified? Specifically in testing visors, googles, etc to meet ANSI standard Z87.1?
FFS! If people are so retarded that they make a rubbish helmet out of untested materials and then get hurt I think it can only be their fault. Besides Im pretty sure its called natural selection!
You went off on some tangent about liberty, and I stand on the front lines of that every day. I don't need to be lectured about it, so I tuned you out.
Ok I think this is going a tad off topic. Please accept that Im not going to sue you so we can just get on with this (even thought I think Ive got my answers).