HALO 5 : Discussion/Speculation Thread

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If you havent finished the halo 4 campaign yet dont click this link. BUT If you Have finished the Campaign this may help cheer you and give you something new to think about

im blown away and seriously impressed, the speculation/theory presented in the link below has some merit, i swear i think the guy who posted the speculation in the link below has some serious brain cells. the pieces of the story he fit together is beyond brilliant
certainly interesting.
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https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm1730138_-Spoilers--Halo-5---Cortana-Speculation.aspx#

Agree? Disagree? Share some thoughts and get the convo going below! :)
 
Sorry to burst your bubble but these are far too simplified views, unfortunately. The Didact was a member of the second lowest caste of Forerunner society, only the Engineers operating various pieces of technology had less respect and power. The Librarian belonged to the Lifeworker caste; beyond that were the Miners and above all the Builders.

The only reason you see them discussing things with the Master Builder - the leader of the Forerunners - is because of the war against the Flood, and the probably consequences of using the Halo array. The Didact coordinated the fighting, and the Librarian supervised the indexing of all the species of the Galaxy for repopulation. So neither of them were leaders, just specialists to do a certain job.

The reason for the focus on a warrior and his equipment and abilities is that the Didact developed a hate for humanity, he was sure to return someday, and so there had to be someone to fight him. Chief's possible role in the future has nothing to do with leading mankind, it's far more likely to be a fate similar to someone like Frodo - saving the world that he can never really be a part of.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble but these are far too simplified views, unfortunately. The Didact was a member of the second lowest caste of Forerunner society, only the Engineers operating various pieces of technology had less respect and power. The Librarian belonged to the Lifeworker caste; beyond that were the Miners and above all the Builders.

The only reason you see them discussing things with the Master Builder - the leader of the Forerunners - is because of the war against the Flood, and the probably consequences of using the Halo array. The Didact coordinated the fighting, and the Librarian supervised the indexing of all the species of the Galaxy for repopulation. So neither of them were leaders, just specialists to do a certain job.

The reason for the focus on a warrior and his equipment and abilities is that the Didact developed a hate for humanity, he was sure to return someday, and so there had to be someone to fight him. Chief's possible role in the future has nothing to do with leading mankind, it's far more likely to be a fate similar to someone like Frodo - saving the world that he can never really be a part of.

No need to worry about bursting any bubbles, it wasnt my theory after all hahaha.

With that said though you've made some excellent points.
Now considering the in-game events of HALO 4, what are some of your thoughts or speculations about the games to come? :)
 
Just some rough ideas...

Didact equips the separatist Covenant with Forerunner tech and ships, places some of the remaining living Forerunners as their leaders. Having lost the Composer he has to use what he has. War breaks out with humanity, and even though this army is smaller than the entire Covenant was before, they're still a great threat.
We'll get to fight better equipped Covenant, War Sphinxes and other Forerunner vehicles, and even some Forerunners as well.

But Master Chief gets more powerful because of his forced evolution, but also with new armor and weapons. He leads the Spartan IVs to get his vengeance as he got a bit too emotional. This causes some issues and has grim consequences, but some of his new friends help him out. Arbiter should also return at some point.

Eventually the Flood resurfaces, so the conflict has to be solved quickly in some way to stop everyone from getting infected. Chief has to evolve as a person to become this 'Reclaimer' and somehow save humanity.
Halos will definitely get involved again - Infinity only found installation 3 and 5, so 1, 2 and 6 are still out there (or some other numbers, but definitely three more) where who knows what could have happened. Remember the unknown alien ship that crashed on Halo 04 in the Anniversary terminal video?

And at the end, contrary to most other game series, Chief does not die.

Not sure how, if at all, Cortana should be back. But it's also pretty hard to imagine a Halo game without Jen Taylor... The suggested new model that has no memories could be an interesting element and have some interesting conversations with the Chief.
 
I like what the op has said, expecaly in regards to Cortana and it would make perfect sence cause she is a core charter just like Cheaf.
 
What I heard and would like to believe is that while updating the armor firmware or whatever, Cortana also left fragments of her in there also, but then the ending of Halo 4, we saw him removing the armor, most likely to upgrade to the newest Mjolnir, but I hope that he keeps the helmet at the very least. Maybe somehow Halsey finds something in the armor or the fragments take over the new Cortana model hehehehehe, hmm that was a bit evil XD

As for new enemies, I'm not sure if the Didact does live, I've also heard that he can't be affected by the Composer so that threw my original theory about Promethean Didact out the book and I guess that the Composer can't digitize Flood so that throws away my other theory about the possibility of Cyber-Flood which in my opinion is a pretty darn scary idea in regards that the Halo rings wouldn't be a problem for them anymore.
 
Fascinating stuff.

From a story point of view 343 has made a big deal out of making sure that all it's media intrests concerning H4 tie together, even going as far as rewriting some of The Flood and Fall of Reach books. I would think that making sure everything is canon in this way is for the purposes of continuing the integrity of the Master Chief's story and not allow any holes in future plot points. Having said that, let me say this.

In my humble opinion, Cortana's key dialogue, the Prologue, the end cutscene and the Epilogue lay the Reclaimer story bare for all the world to see.

Assuming that 343 doesn't pull any manufactured plot twists, the Didact, having fallen into the Composer's stream and subsequently getting blowed up with it, is dead.

Also assuming that all media serve the Halo games storyline, Cortana as we know her is also 'dead'. Having given her all to protect Chief and safeguard Earth.

This leaves us with the leading in-game dialogue. Remember in the Sixth Sense, how in your face the plot twist clue was? "ic teh ded peoples. They don't even know they ded"?
Cortana: "They'll pair you with another AI, maybe even another Cortana model." I imagine breaking in a new Cortana would be enough plotline for an entire Halo game installment, much less two.

Halsey: "blah blah John is the future of mankind as a species." He's been evolved. So much so, that his bio readings are off the charts. He will be the tip of the spear when it comes to the impending doom that is the Flood. I also think that the legendary show-117's-face ending is an indicator of how much more H5 will be about John confronting/recconnecting with his creator, Halsey. 343 has gone so far out of their way to put their mark on the Halo franchise anything is possible. Who knows? maybe a helmetless Chief is in our future just like Mass Effect's Commander Shepard.

To support these ideas, I have to go outside the game. The Terminals are all about how humans fought the Forerunner almost to a standstill and presuming to uphold the 'Mantle' while defending against the Flood. They also showcased what a pain in the ass the Flood were to defeat and how much the Librarian cared for us.
Although The Composer did a bang up job at DE-composing, it only seemed to have initial success when it came to actually composing the people it digitized. So no matter what the Spartan Op's cutscene says I can't imagine we'll see the actual Librarian.
However.
Halsey's old spirit is the Librarian, Chief's is the Lord of Admirals, New Cortana will be the evolved ancilla, and the enemy will be a vengeful Precurser and their instrument of destruction, will be the Flood. Not sure where Spartan Gabriel Thorne fits into all of this, but I foresee him as a key player in the series.

Perhaps in between h4 and h5 in addition to more Spartan Ops we will get:
An ODST-like,The Chronicles of Kilo Five
Commander Sarah Palmer's Halo Wars 2, Return to Requiem starring Team Majestic
and a point and click flash game called Forerunner Legends: the Libraran's Story. :p

Whatever happens I'm all in.
 
I hope the Arbiter and his army returns in Halo 5.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! i fully agree with you! and rtas too!

it should go down like this

didact makes a supremer form of knight ( the name gladiator would be cool!)

he sends into battle with the storm covies and other promethians

it sets its sights on the chief

somehow grabs chief and is about to knife him with the promethian blade thingy

but arby either snipes him or does a sick as assassination ...

really i think he should just save the chief





BUT HOLD IT!

wasnt the spirit of fire ( halo wars ship) floating around in space without a slipspace drive? it would be soooo cool if they come across the spirit of fire!

and mabye bucks odsts should make another apprearance ( who doesnt love mickey!)

but also the librarian may have done something else to the chief, she said that the thingy ( dont know its name but effect is immuntiy to the composer) is ONE of the gifts i have bestowed upon you? hmmm what do you guys think!

and other promethian ordanance, mabye their teleporting powers into an armor ability dropped by some?
 
The Didact is not dead - at least Jul M'Dama does not act like it in the Spartan Ops episodes. Move like the Didact himself is watching, an elite says, and then Jul is called 'the Didact's hand' which would be kinda stupid if he was not alive.
 
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! i fully agree with you! and rtas too!

it should go down like this

didact makes a supremer form of knight ( the name gladiator would be cool!)

he sends into battle with the storm covies and other promethians

it sets its sights on the chief

somehow grabs chief and is about to knife him with the promethian blade thingy

but arby either snipes him or does a sick as assassination ...

really i think he should just save the chief





BUT HOLD IT!

wasnt the spirit of fire ( halo wars ship) floating around in space without a slipspace drive? it would be soooo cool if they come across the spirit of fire!

and mabye bucks odsts should make another apprearance ( who doesnt love mickey!)

but also the librarian may have done something else to the chief, she said that the thingy ( dont know its name but effect is immuntiy to the composer) is ONE of the gifts i have bestowed upon you? hmmm what do you guys think!

and other promethian ordanance, mabye their teleporting powers into an armor ability dropped by some?

that means that they would take focus away from space Jesus...I mean master chief and his love interest cortana
that is how I see it anyway they turned him into a God and is the only one capible of saveing the universe
yes I know that they made him "special" but way put so many interesting characters in a story for them to be made
like they are puppets and can't thick of any thing to do without chief holding there hands the whole concept of him
being "lucky" is just lame thats just my opinion don't freak out on me.
 
If you look real close at the end of the legendary ending. That what we presume is the chief, has no nose!!! So either he is a hybrid of human/ forerunner, or that was the Didact waking up to start his revenge for being defeated by a "simple human", and get back the Mantle of Responsibility.

The other theory I have is that now the forerunners are now dead, (as far as we know) the roles have been passed on to the humans. With Cortina becoming a being unconfined to that chip in chief's helm, she is now the Librarian, and John 117 is now the Didact. Making Halsey the new Builder. From here on out it is a hole new universe for the writers to have fun with.
 
If you look real close at the end of the legendary ending. That what we presume is the chief, has no nose!!! So either he is a hybrid of human/ forerunner, or that was the Didact waking up to start his revenge for being defeated by a "simple human", and get back the Mantle of Responsibility.

The other theory I have is that now the forerunners are now dead, (as far as we know) the roles have been passed on to the humans. With Cortina becoming a being unconfined to that chip in chief's helm, she is now the Librarian, and John 117 is now the Didact. Making Halsey the new Builder. From here on out it is a hole new universe for the writers to have fun with.
he does have a nose, its just the bridge of it that we see. the whole point of it was to see his eyes.
 
I see where you are coming from with it. The Didact does have a "nose". Even though it is very flat to the face. The bridge of the nose is very subdued on the final image in the ending. There is no shadow cast to either side of the "nose" area. This leads me to theorize that John has been "evolved" in to a hybrid being. Along with the gray, almost leather like, skin.
 
There is quite a bit of symbolism in the legendary epilogue, If you remember when the chief meets Lasky Palmer tells the chief that she expected him to be taller, and to that point we see that they are of a similar height. But in the epilogue, we see the chief walk by Palmer and we see a large height difference. We also see in the prologue that a young Master chief had blue eyes, while in the epilogue he has Black eyes. So the epilogue spells out what the librarian has done to the chief, physically at least. Also it should be noted that the chief is immune to the composer. (this is all obvious but just wanted to put it out there)
 
The Chief's height was an artistic touch, for a more dramatic effect. His eyes are just simply in shadow. You guys are seeing a bit too much into these things ;)
 
The Chief's height was an artistic touch, for a more dramatic effect. His eyes are just simply in shadow. You guys are seeing a bit too much into these things ;)

what ever floats you, I still like to think that the epilogue was something special :cool
 
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