Pep and First Foam Project

Discussion in 'New Recruits' started by Leiutenant Jaku, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. Leiutenant Jaku

    Leiutenant Jaku Jr Member

    here are my pictures so far for my project. helmet only so far. Visor has not arrived yet and I haven't added dirt and grime yet KIMG0150.JPG KIMG0152.JPG KIMG0159.JPG KIMG0157.JPG KIMG0158.JPG KIMG0160.JPG KIMG0156.JPG KIMG0165.JPG KIMG0162.JPG can you guess what I messed up?
     
  2. FlyinPhil

    FlyinPhil Marketplace Supervisor Division Staff

    It would appear that you didn't glue the pep visor in at all, which leads to the brim of the helmet not being supported during hardening. Looks good for a first helmet thought! Onward and upward!
     
  3. Leiutenant Jaku

    Leiutenant Jaku Jr Member

    Thanks and that would be correct as well as bad pep on the back and getting stuff stuck to the tip of the left triangle part and having to saw it off. I tried with the paint to make it look like that was the effect of heavy battle damage
     
  4. SkyBox

    SkyBox New Member

    Looks awesome man, I am still only starting my first build (Dont even have one piece done) but i am gonna end up working in this order, Arms, Head, Legs, Chest.. I feel like it would be best to take the most daunting task on last. The build looks really nice so far. ill be watching this thread to see what progress is made on this build.
     
  5. gerard2567

    gerard2567 Member

    I would stay away from Pep as a first helmet... With the community offering raw casts, you're better off buying some, since it equals probably the same amount to build and paint one.

    My first pep was a disaster from the beginning. Slightly got better, and ended up being able to fix problems with bondo more than building it in pep.

    Also, use bondo. It is your friend. not trying to come off harsh, I'm just lazy at words :p

    Another thing you might want to consider is saving up for a $300 3d printed XD
     
  6. Leiutenant Jaku

    Leiutenant Jaku Jr Member

    I have a 3d printer but it is not big enough.
    also, I would have used more bongo and it would have looked better but I lack the patience skill and a power sander
     
  7. gerard2567

    gerard2567 Member

    That sounds fair...

    On regards to the 3d printer, can't you slice up the pieces? I sliced mine up into about 10 pieces. They've been glued, and reinforced, now they're being sanded.
     
  8. Leiutenant Jaku

    Leiutenant Jaku Jr Member

    Yes but it will take some work. I may try printing other pieces later on in the build.
    Anyway I have some chest armor pictures and questions. KIMG0203.JPG KIMG0202.JPG KIMG0201.JPG KIMG0200.JPG so how do I fill the cracks on the edges and gaps in-between parts.
     
  9. FlyinPhil

    FlyinPhil Marketplace Supervisor Division Staff

    I'm going to have to disagree with this. Pep is an awesome way to get into the costuming world, and helmets are great because they are symmetrical, roundish objects. A little time and patience go a long way. I did mine without any power tools (aside from a Dremel that I purchased near the end of the project), and the EOD you see in my avatar is the first pep I did. It just takes some research and perseverance to make amazing props.

    As for the 3D printer... I'll agree with you there haha. It's definitely on the list of things to buy.
     
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  10. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives

    That is a hugely contested question with many answers. Hot glue: Pros, it fills in gaps and quick cure time; Cons, it's hard to smooth out, not impossible...just hard. Caulk: Also fills in gaps nicely easier to work with than hot glue; Cons, dry time is several hours until you can work w/ the piece and sanding is difficult as well. Joint Compound/Plaster of Paris: Pros, fills gaps easy to work with, smooths easily with sanding, takes paint; Cons, cracks easily when filling in foam gaps.

    I'm probably missing few here and there and some other gap filling items, but my brain isn't working right now......
     
  11. gerard2567

    gerard2567 Member

    Pepakura isn't symmetrical. They're assymetrical. No matter what you do, you're not going to get a pep symmetrical.

    The model may be symmetrical, but once it warps.
     
  12. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives

    Ahhhh.....but warping can be minimized by using bracing pieces, like popsicle sticks taped to the inside with large flat areas and to bridge gaps to hold things in place while things cure......
     
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  13. gerard2567

    gerard2567 Member

    Minimises it. Doesn't neutralize it.
     
  14. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives

    I did say minimize........but it will keep it as symmetrical as possible........and it's not like everything is going to end up looking like it came straight from the Acme Co...... giphy (25).gif
     
  15. SkyBox

    SkyBox New Member

    The same can go for all forms of armor making... foam takes a while to learn to cut correctly. You have to be patient with pep or your armor will look warped and bumpy. 3D printing is useful but it can still cause problems. You need to understanf how to model and cut models. You have to glue the peices togeter cause you end up printing them seperatly. You also need to glue the parts together without creating really messed up seems. Then you have to sand it just as much as you would a pep file maybe more because of the print lines. And lastly.... what would you be more proud of? A pep/foam work that you put countless hours into making. Or a printed set that you spent 50 hours doing nothing but bolting and sanding together peices, that each can take up to 9 hours to print.

    Each way has pros and cons... the biggest for me is feeling accomplished with the final product. While i have not finished my first peice yet... the bits i have finished i am proud of. Do what you wantbi honestly could care less, its your project i wont tell you what you should and what you shouldnt do
     
  16. Leiutenant Jaku

    Leiutenant Jaku Jr Member

    thanks, I guess i'll try caulk but in case that does not work how do you shape hot glue?

    pep is great unfortunately I did not do the proper research first. but I have learned from my mistakes to research more in the future.

    this helmet I actually made about a half year ago but I felt I should complete it anyway. If I have time when I finish everything else I will make a new helmet.
     
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  17. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives


    Its best to shape the glue when it is still hot....I use either the side of a dull blade or an envelope opener. Another way is to use a hot knife and scrape the side smooth if the glue has cooled.
     
  18. Leiutenant Jaku

    Leiutenant Jaku Jr Member

    ok, thanks.
    do I need a specific type of caulking to fill gaps well?
     
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  19. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives

    ust make sure it's the paintable flavor....if you get the one for bath/shower....your paint won't stick to it. Look for "Painter's Caulk".
     
  20. Leiutenant Jaku

    Leiutenant Jaku Jr Member

    ok thanks
     
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  21. TurboCharizard

    TurboCharizard

    When I spend 50+ hours on a model design and then another dozen on assembly and finishing, that's where the pride comes in. My prints may be able to be completed while I'm sleeping or at work, but it's by no means the easy route to making a costume.

    Source: Countless hours in Fusion 360 making cool things.
     
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  22. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives

    you're very welcome.....and thank you BTW......
     
  23. Cadet

    Cadet Executive Officer Division Staff 405th Regiment Officer

    Everyone, please remember that at the end of the day the construction method a member uses to make their costume is their personal choice. Every method has its unique intricacies, it's own pros and it's own cons. No one method is truly subjectively "better" than another. It is so about finding what works best for you, which method you enjoy using and just clicks with you.

    I encourage everyone to try as many methods as they can, but I would never discourage someone from trying or using one.

    I would hope all our members here would do the same.
     
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  24. Asgardianhammer

    Asgardianhammer Identity Officer Division Staff 405th Regiment Officer

    Like Cadet said, different methods get different results. I like the weight of my first pep armor. (a great way to fill gaps and cracks too is spot putty and a wet finger with latex caulk) The biggest thing with pep is clean scoring, clean folds and clean glue up. Start at the top and work your way down on helmets. Do small parts as sub assemblies to be incorporated in to larger parts. When glassing, light coats of resin and as much support as possible helps before moving into the heavy stuff. That initial shell has to be there before you add weight, otherwise you get bad warping. As far as warp and subtle asymmetry goes i think these quirks add to each spartans character. This process cannot be rushed for the cleanest results. My first suit over 700 hours.
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    My Second suit was foam pep files and custom work. New process = New challenges. Learning to clean up a 3d Print, Learning to laminate foams, Score detail, Grind and carve and smoothing out those areas, coating and finish paint prep. A lot of differences. Second suit Not the comfortable weight i liked off my fiberglass suit but better mobility an the ease to put on singly.
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    All in all you can achieve equally amazing results with time, patience, willingness to learn and most importantly willingness to begin a piece over, with many of the methods. I am always looking to learn something new from the members on this forum and other forums.
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    3D Printing has its own unique set of challenges that take an enormous amount of time. The results can be amazing though!

    All of these methods involve patience and diligence to achieve the best results possible. There is no one way to do something and any artist will tell you there are many ways to skin a cat and you have to choose which method best suits you personally. Give them all a try. You may surprise yourself with what you can accomplish!

    Happy Building Spartans!
     
  25. gerard2567

    gerard2567 Member

    I agree 100% most people can do amazing things with pepakura, aslong as you take your time. I was just a little abrasive on the pepakura "Symmetry" topic.

    I'm not against asymmetry, infact, I love assymetry, most of the iconic shapes today are assymetric work. Star wars is completely loaded with it. My favourite thus far is the ANH stormtrooper.

    Also, I've just discovered a new love for primer filler and wet sanding today :D

    So people can definately have a different taste in how they build.
     

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