Stop NAFTA Trucks

[Xavier]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1LhJ2EBcm_4

-X

PS the link is broken that it gives, sorry about that, I've called up PC and it should be fixed tomorrow.

 

[AoBfrost]

He said "mexico based trucks", American/british/japanese trucks seem much safer now.

 

[Xavier]

He said "mexico based trucks", American/british/japanese trucks seem much safer now.

He meant trucks coming from Mexico. And I dont think there are any British/Japanese based trucks driving around in america.

Big Rig trucks based in Mexico threaten to make our highways even more dangerous than they already are. Without proper regulation, inspection or driver testing for alcohol and substance abuse, unleashing these trucks throughout the country is a very, very large accident waiting to happen. Find out what you can do about it

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[Sigma LS]

I want to see his references, sources, and timetables for his statistics. With these kind of films, people usually try to bend those kind of things their way. That being said, I believe he is right. Still, for traffic going up I-35 in Texas, there is always a major wreck every day just in the mile nearest my place. Often those wrecks can be 18-wheelers. It's even worse in the Metroplex, Austin, and San Antonio. So I guess it's kind of a frying pan and fire sort of analogy.

 

[Spartan 061]

Anti-Bush, Anti-Bush, alot of that there. Gettin' kind of tired of that. I see wrecks all the time in houston. Sometimes 18 wheelers.

 

[Xavier]

I want to see his references, sources, and timetables for his statistics. With these kind of films, people usually try to bend those kind of things their way. That being said, I believe he is right. Still, for traffic going up I-35 in Texas, there is always a major wreck every day just in the mile nearest my place. Often those wrecks can be 18-wheelers. It's even worse in the Metroplex, Austin, and San Antonio. So I guess it's kind of a frying pan and fire sort of analogy.

This is not a one person thing. It was produced by Public citizen

http://www.citizen.org/

My mother actually works there. They were started by Ralph Nader. They were the ones who got Red dye #2 outlawed because it caused cancer, they have published "Worst Pills, Best Pills : A Consumer's Guide to Avoiding Drug-Induced Death or Illness" And a revised version is already out.

Here is their publications page: http://www.citizen.org/publications/

And here are the different things they deal with: http://www.citizen.org/divisions/

There Energy Program is headed up by Tyson Slocum, who is a well known energy analyst, and has been on every major news channel, from CNN to MSNBC

Dr. Sidney M. Wolfe is one of the resident MDs is a very powerful man in the medical world, and actively fights against killer drugs and treatments.

They are Legit as legit gets.

Anti-Bush, Anti-Bush, alot of that there. Gettin' kind of tired of that. I see wrecks all the time in houston. Sometimes 18 wheelers.

Anti Bush and Anti Bush's Administration are two very different things.

 

[Sigma LS]

Here is their publications page: http://www.citizen.org/publications/

And here are the different things they deal with: http://www.citizen.org/divisions/

That's what I wanted to see. It puts things in better context with proper references and data. Thanks.


You know what they say when it comes to presentation of data, only believe half of what you read and a quarter of what you hear. But yeah, I've heard of these folks. They are definitely on the up and up end of things, good people. The only thing that I'm currently wondering is since this appears to be such a significant issue in Texas why it has not been on the local news lately.

 

[Xavier]

I've just talked to the producer of the video, and she says that it wasnt supposed to be like a documentary, instead just make a point and get people educated.

 

[Seeker]

Xavier - are you part of the orginization to stop these NAFTA Mexican trucks. Did something happen around your area?

Arturo

 

[Xavier]

No... But I have helped out the Public Citizen before, They cover everything from international things to down home issues like this NAFTA thing, I support them and try to teach others about the things that PC does for them every day to improve everyones life, even if it is behind the scenes.

 

[SGT V]

Wonder how many of those videos were American owned and operated trucks. Not from the area so I do not know but I would like to see where they got their statistics.

Interesting site, good for a chuckle.

 

[Garland]

I never thought I'd see NAFTA discussed on the 405th. I rely on the John Birch Society ( jbs.org) for my news on such things. Here is their page on NAFTA, SPP, and NAU.

This is definitely the most telling article.

The Teamsters found out how poorly Mexican drivers are paid when they sent investigative reporter Charles Bowden to Mexico to report on the condition of the Mexican trucking industry last August. Bowden talked to drivers who worked for days on end, sometimes driving for 48 hours without a break. “The men earn about $1,100 a month,” Bowden reported. And the pay is for a workload that can be handled only with assistance from narcotics.

The Mexican drivers Bowden talked to insisted that they can only stay awake on their long and frequent journeys across Mexico by using what they euphemistically term “magic dust.” According to Bowden, the truckers “are all family men who run the highways at least 25 days a month and they are adamant about two things — that nobody can run these long hauls without cocaine and crystal meth, and now and then some marijuana to level out the rush.”

All the kids at my school think I'm some sort of conspiracy nut, but NAFTA is the stepping stone for the North American Union (NAU), that would be just as disastrous as the European Union. None of them like history, either, which explains why they don't recognise when it starts repeating itself.

 

[SGT V]

I would like to know how the EU is a disaster. Last time I checked the Euro was stronger than the dollar.

 

[23Magnum]

OMG, this is soooo old. Besides just this story being old, NAFTA has been debated over so much over the last 15 odd years, ever since 1992. Anyone with half a brain, knows this is bad for the American economy. Thing is that you can't do anything about it. They're protected by law. End of story. Appealing to your different branches of the US Government won't work cause they're all in the pockets of the executives of big fortune 500 companies. Barring actually attacking these vehicles(which would probably start another unnecessary war), you can't do anything about this. This is a capitalist government anymore, not a democracy. This is also the same reason I don't vote.

This is probably going to become a political debate here soon, so I recommend closing this topic. Vent about how mad you are about this situation if you need to, just remember that this isn't really going to change anything other than maybe make a few extra people aware of how crappy our government really is. I say we just play ignorant and make our armor.

I was like you once in high school then in college. I argued with my professor so well she actually gave me an A for the class even though she still had proven me wrong about changing this when I couldn't. It was a sociology class. Don't ever argue with a sociologist, you'll never win.

Sorry if this upsets anyone, but these are just my views on NAFTA and subjects pertaining to it.

-Magnum

 

[SGT V]

I am not sure what you mean by become a political debate, it was political as soon as the OP posted a video from a left wing political org saying NAFTA kills people.

 

[Garland]

just remember that this isn't really going to change anything other than maybe make a few extra people aware of how crappy our government really is. I say we just play ignorant and make our armor.

Good point, but at least people are aware of it. The people should be, so when the opportunity arises they know what to fix and how to fix it. And I think it was Ron Paul who introduced a bill to repeal NAFTA.

I would like to know how the EU is a disaster. Last time I checked the Euro was stronger than the dollar.

A little off topic, but alright. The countries of Europe used to be independent, sovereign entities. Now they are virtually reduced to administrative districts divided by language. All the member states of the EU are subordinates to a single, inefficient, bureaucratic mess that denies the European nations of any real self-government. Economy has little to do with it. And the dollar's value is shrinking because Bush has wasted a couple trillion dollars and think he can compensate by printing more bills.

Go bug your reps and senators to support a repeal of NAFTA. Or overthrow our government and put in one that works (or one that follows the Constitution). That's pretty much your options.

 

[Xavier]

Also, you guys might like to know, Public Citizen was the group that FOUGHT for years to get seatbelt standard in all cars. PC is the reason you have a seatbelt to keep you alive.

Edit: Garland, I'm glad that you are active in this situation, but I find it unfortunately that you use the website of the most right winged group ever known to America... more a cult of misinformation and manipulated data. Sorry, but I disapprove of the JBS.

 

[SGT V]

Yeah, there is nothing exagerated on the PC website. The video itself is a great example. I would put money on the fact the examples in the video of horrible truck accident were mostly American owned and operated trucks. Hell, one of the trucks was a FedEx truck. If that is not misinformation I am not sure what is.

 

[Xavier]

Yeah, there is nothing exagerated on the PC website. The video itself is a great example. I would put money on the fact the examples in the video of horrible truck accident were mostly American owned and operated trucks. Hell, one of the trucks was a FedEx truck. If that is not misinformation I am not sure what is.

when i talked about misinformation, i was talking about the john birch society, the truck crashes in that video were meant to show the damage that large trucks CAN do.

 

[SGT V]

The problem is using these crashes involving american trucks and then throwing out stats about the increase in accidents suggest to the viewers that the crashes he is showing are indicative of the crashes by mexican drivers. Showing the video as proof of the problem is misinformation.

I see this all the time in the media. When a story runs about how insurgents are tearing up the US military and they have supporting video showing burning HMMWVs as proof. The problem is I know the guys who shot the video and it's a vehicle that broke down and the US Military destroyed in place. To your average viewer it is video evidence of an insurgent attack. Using video out of context to prove a point is misinformation.