rsitumeang
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Don't forget that she was held on by the Gravemind, so that may have an effect on her life span also.
Cortana (lots of spoilers, be careful)
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spartan 300 said:
yeah.. thats a bit disturbing though. The whole "we exist together now".. maybe a topic for a book? Cortana might not neccesarily be herself. I'm still a little confused though as to whether the flood were actually defeated... I mean sure most of them got blasted.. but can't the gravemind just rebuild himself in another halo/research lab like the one the heretic lived in? And if the gravemind has any influence on cortana.. that could be bad.... Also, is there any explanation for the telepathic stuff cortana and the gravemind do to chief? Or is it only mentioned in halo 3?
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jongrnl
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Yea, the hole we exist together now could cause a hole lot of trouble latter on. That could be the topic of another book or game or something. My big thing is that doesn't the book say that she goes rampant in 7 years not die. It's been a wile since i read them but I thought that was what they were referring to when they said "Think them selfs to death."
volkov said:
There are actually a few cases of the AI becoming rampant, but not dieing, i dont think.
"Rampancy can occur at an earlier phase in the AIs life cycle for various reasons. If an AI is isolated long enough or given too much time to think without tasks to complete, it can develop the realizations that its mind has limits, it has a short life, and it can never be human. Such depression will drag the AI's core logic into rampancy if it goes on for an extended period of time"
"Sif, the last Shipping Operations AI for planet Harvest, became rampant after being partuially fragmented and destroyed by the PSI Loki during the Battle of Harvest in 2525." (Read the last few pages of Contact: Harvest)
Forerunner AI's CAN go rampant.
"Mendicant Bias, a Forerunner AI charged with studying the Flood, was eventually corrupted by them and confirmed rampant. He commanded Flood fleets against the Forerunner until he was defeated by another AI, Offensive Bias, and placed in stasis on a Keyship. Mendicant Bias' ship was discovered by the San 'Shyuum and it was kept in the ship until 2525, when it detected Reclaimers. Having had some time in isolation, Mendicant Bias returned itself to a stable state, and later even assisted the humans against the Flood during the Battle of Installation 00 in 2553"
343GS too "343 Guilty Spark, the monitor of Installation 04, went rampant and was subsequently destroyed during the Battle of Installation 00 in 2553. When it was discovered that the Ark was automatically constructing a replacement Installation to rebuild Installation 04 (lost in the Battle of Installation 04), Spark agreed with the human forces that activating the ring was a good idea. However, when they decided to activate it before it was ready, knowing it would be destroyed and probably damage the Ark as well, Spark went rampant, attacking the humans and killing Sergeant Major Avery Johnson. He was then quickly destroyed by the Master Chief"
When it was discovered that the Ark was automatically constructing a replacement Installation to rebuild Installation 04 (lost in the Battle of Installation 04).... this is very interesting, i didnt know that 00 was a replacment for 04...
From Halowikia
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Hehe let's hope that Cortana never gets rampant when she's locked into Chief's head. I think they never tested the side effects for the neuro-interface with a rampant AI on board ... uhm I mean on head. *g* Could result in a killing spree or so. 
I would also love to know what will happen in the future. Maybe in another Game explaining how Cortana and Chiefs life goes on... or maybe "just" in a book. Does anybody already read the 5th Halo Book? Maybe there are some answers in it? I currently don't know what will come in the book. It will be released on March 13 here in Germany, so I don't know atm whats be the content but its already pre-ordered *gg*.
Cortana, IMO, is a really interesting Character in Halo and even the AI fact really interests me. So I'm a bit sad that there are so many unanswered questions wich lets everyone groping in the dark.
I would also love to know what will happen in the future. Maybe in another Game explaining how Cortana and Chiefs life goes on... or maybe "just" in a book. Does anybody already read the 5th Halo Book? Maybe there are some answers in it? I currently don't know what will come in the book. It will be released on March 13 here in Germany, so I don't know atm whats be the content but its already pre-ordered *gg*.
Cortana, IMO, is a really interesting Character in Halo and even the AI fact really interests me. So I'm a bit sad that there are so many unanswered questions wich lets everyone groping in the dark.
Gokussj5okazu
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Dr. Halsey did not give Cortana to John when he was 18. He recieved Cortana only shortly before the events of Halo 1.
Cortana was originally assigned to John to aid him and his team in capturing a Prophet, in attempt to use the Prophet as a bargaining chip against the Covenant. That was in 2552.
The end of Halo 3 is fall, 2553, meaning Cortana was only with John for approximately a year, slightly longer. The majority of her life was spent with Dr. Halsey, a few years before 2550 even.
John was approximately 8 as of August 17th, 2517, when Dr. Halsey and Lt. Keyes observed him. Halo 3 ended in fall of 2553, making John approximately 44.
Cortana was originally assigned to John to aid him and his team in capturing a Prophet, in attempt to use the Prophet as a bargaining chip against the Covenant. That was in 2552.
The end of Halo 3 is fall, 2553, meaning Cortana was only with John for approximately a year, slightly longer. The majority of her life was spent with Dr. Halsey, a few years before 2550 even.
John was approximately 8 as of August 17th, 2517, when Dr. Halsey and Lt. Keyes observed him. Halo 3 ended in fall of 2553, making John approximately 44.
Gokussj5okazu
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Nope, no answers to that particular question in the 5th, it's all about Johnson during the first conflicts with the Covenant.
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Gokussj5okazu said:
Hmm, the Problem is that you don't know how many years of his life when there was no training and no operation for him he had to spend in Cryostasis. If this was long time you have to subtract this from that age. I mean, they never had that much Spartans. So I think if they were trained enought they just put them in stasis to not "waste" their lifetime in years without war...
But well Cortana is quite "young". See the previous pages. If they maybe don't really know how old smart-AI in Cortana format can get they wouldn't use them in an such important war situation. You know those best-before dates on all military things...
Oh
All my dreams are dead. *g*
Well... maybe it will come in a 6th or 7th....
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Gokussj5okazu
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Very good point. Of course, all of the Spartans logged hundreds if not thousands of hours in cryo, so I'm sure he's MUCH younger than 44 biologically, but chronologically he's pretty old.
Lol I agree, I really hope one of the future books fill in the ending. It's ALMOST as bad as H2's ending.
Lol I agree, I really hope one of the future books fill in the ending. It's ALMOST as bad as H2's ending.
there were 65 spartans and only 36 survived the steroed and everything put in themChief said:Hmm, the Problem is that you don't know how many years of his life when there was no training and no operation for him he had to spend in Cryostasis. If this was long time you have to subtract this from that age. I mean, they never had that much Spartans. So I think if they were trained enought they just put them in stasis to not "waste" their lifetime in years without war...
But well Cortana is quite "young". See the previous pages. If they maybe don't really know how old smart-AI in Cortana format can get they wouldn't use them in an such important war situation. You know those best-before dates on all military things...
Oh
All my dreams are dead. *g*
Well... maybe it will come in a 6th or 7th....
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Gokussj5okazu
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I don't mean to seem rude, but what's your point? Sorry, I just don't see how that relates, unless you were just agreeing that very few Spartans were avaliable.
Ok ok ok, how about these, really good ideas are put into a real fan film?
Now I'm taking some of your ideas from different people so don't be mad, I'm just summing it up
Ok, begining is a black shot with the voice overs from the end game with cortana and chief's exchange "....when you need me."
Shot fades into the scene from starry night with the kids in the grass looking up in the sky and going to their respective locations. Kid (john) hears his name and is confronted by bullies.
He's running from them as his name still echos around his head
The shot turns to the feet of the bullies and flashes back and forwith from the bullies and elites feet.
Then he gets mugged by a Sword carring elite he awakes to cortana's short wake up call.
The story takes up from there w/ Master chief and cortana through the forunner homeworld, maybe find some still living forunners, the key to the flood's destruction, other artifacts that give way to the Covenant religion, ect. . .
Anyone got ideas to add?
Ok, begining is a black shot with the voice overs from the end game with cortana and chief's exchange "....when you need me."
Shot fades into the scene from starry night with the kids in the grass looking up in the sky and going to their respective locations. Kid (john) hears his name and is confronted by bullies.
He's running from them as his name still echos around his head
The shot turns to the feet of the bullies and flashes back and forwith from the bullies and elites feet.
Then he gets mugged by a Sword carring elite he awakes to cortana's short wake up call.
The story takes up from there w/ Master chief and cortana through the forunner homeworld, maybe find some still living forunners, the key to the flood's destruction, other artifacts that give way to the Covenant religion, ect. . .
Anyone got ideas to add?
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Gokussj5okazu
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I like the idea, but John wouldn't run from bullies, even as a kid. Based on his description in FOR, HE was the bully, atleast while playing King of the Hill. lol
izzysenyrc
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BloodyShadow13 said:
In the books it does say that "smart AI's like herself will die after about 7 years from thinking themselves to death."
Then Cortana says that she has eliminated "2 or 3 years" of her life with the for runner information.
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jongrnl
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It's been a wile since I read the books so correct me if I'm wrong but I allways thought that AI death was rampancy. And we saw from Sif that rampancy does not have to take the form of violance. I personally think that cortana is in a state of rampancy now. She may just not be showing the normal signs of it.
Gokussj5okazu
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The AI death scenario is a bit unclear, to me anyhow.
It's proven that long periods of self-thought promote realization of their meager existance, causing them to become enraged, depressed, ect.
The actual death though, I believe, occurs when an AI over-uses their resources. A good example of this would be when Cortana made copies of herself when the Spartans were infiltrating Unyielding Hierophant. The copies, having very minimal resources, became irrational and corrupt within a very short amount of time. I believe that to be the death of the "smart" AI.
It's proven that long periods of self-thought promote realization of their meager existance, causing them to become enraged, depressed, ect.
The actual death though, I believe, occurs when an AI over-uses their resources. A good example of this would be when Cortana made copies of herself when the Spartans were infiltrating Unyielding Hierophant. The copies, having very minimal resources, became irrational and corrupt within a very short amount of time. I believe that to be the death of the "smart" AI.
sssancheznes said:
Oh yes right... so this means the predicted life-span would be again lesser.
Gokussj5okazu said:
My theory about this:
Its said that an AI thinks herself to death. It is comparable with a computer who "calculates himself to death" these days. We all know what happens when something like that occurs. First you see that all system processes get slower. A bit later it could also happen that your Mouse Cursor (so one of the PCs basic "features") starts to get slower and doesnt respond till the CPU has so many undone processes that it can not handle it anymore and "freezes" completely. Every normal computer you can power down and power back on again. But maybe this doesn't work with an AI.
Why?
Theory 1)
The AI Core is saved on something like a RAM storage. Its something you can keep data on for very fast access and with very less processing time but the disadvantage is that you loose the data on it as soon you cut down the power. So if you need to "hard reboot" Cortana she will just not exist if you put back the power. It will just be an empty AI-Core then.
Theory 2)
If we assume the AI Core works a bit like a human brain (or something like positrone-technology in Asimovs Robot Theories) it could be that such an immense failure of "death thinking" could cause permanent damage on the core-structures what means that she would destroy herself in that state.
Theory 3)
Operating System fells back to that state everytime you try to "restart" the AI. If this "death thinking" is something what happens in Cortanas Operating System ... so this means in her personality I guess ... this state will naturally be saved and if you restart the AI the problem happens again because she would try to resume her service on that moment / state wich was last saved. And maybe it is just impossible to remove just some parts from an AI Core because this is such a complex Data-Construct.
Theory 4)
Last but not least the Theory 4 wich is a bit similar to Theory 3 but from the fact of memory capacity. A Computer based system - so even an AI - needs memory to operate. Needs memory to shortly save some calculations and operating data structures. Maybe the dead-thinking is that the memory capacity of an AI is reached and there is not enaugh memory left to operate or to stay "alive". And because AI data constructs are so complex you can't just delete things you don't need or you can't just put more memory in. (Maybe even due to technical limitations wich still exists in the Halo time.
)These would be my theories for an Smart-AI death so far. I personally prefer the theories with a comparsion to humans brain. (Theory 1 and 2) Because Cortana is "generated" from an humans brain it makes a bit sense to me.
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