Cricut & Pepakura

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amancue

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So, I've been thinking of CraftRobo or Cricut for a while,.. was leaning toward CraftRobo because it has a pep viewer but being Im a letter size user and I can find a cricut in local stores, I went for it, especialll after finding out about the programs Sure Cuts A Lot and Make the Cut, they are both Cricut programs for the PC that allow the Cricut to cut any shape w/ out specialized cartidges, I also to get things from Pep to the programs, found a converter that installs as a Virtual Printer w/ options to print to pdf,SVG, XPS and TIFF from any program, one thing I have yet to figure out is how to get these programs to see the multiple pages in a multipaged SVG (the format the programs require for imput, Scalable Vector format) currently I have it set to export each page individually.

so If anyone has more experience w/ such things it would be very helpful line it up wasnt too bad now Im just experimenting w/ blade depth for cut&score lines
 
Definetly interested in hearing how this pans out for you. I have wanted one of those for a long while now and if you find a way to make it work for pep cutting then thats gonna push me over the edge into having to get one too!
 
My mother in law has one of those things. I never thought they could cut pep files out. That would be awesome
 
If thats possible to do you just opened a new door for a lot of pep makers here, I own a Cricut but ddi'nt know they had programs like the CraftROBO. What is the name of the program that converts the file?
 
well there are many different ones I spent the last evening exploring the options

initially following dancin fools,. way in a thread,.. I exported it to XPS (MS Virtual Print) and spent FOREVER searching for a conversion from XPS -> SVG

found a few options, one was an SDK one was the code to write an application anyways I looked on and came across

Win2PDF install it,.. it'll let you print to a SVG (the file these programs need) Make the Cut or Sure Cuts a Lot

w/ these programs you connect the Cricut thru the USB install the drivers and the program directly controls the CriCut and you have your custom shapes Vectorized in the program and it cuts them

I've cut a couple test pieces still refing my process but it seems to be going good

will keep everyone updated
 
As for your problem, sorry, I don't have much to offer. You went out on a limb by deliberately buying unsupported equipment, and you'll probably have to be the one to figure out how to fix it, and then tell US how so that future users will know.



I have the CraftROBO. You are experiencing the exact reasons why I do not recommend any future readers buy non-CraftROBOs. Basically you're just asking for extra hoops to jump through, because Pepakura Viewer doesn't support them directly. So you're going to have to experiment with, and find suitable converters, virtual printers, etc., or else do like other non-CraftROBO users have done where they export into some format and import into different software. Honestly, it's not worth the hassle, unless you have a VERY good reason (for instance, the $600 Klik-n-cuts can cut much thicker material).



You might have to use something, like Illustrator or Freehand, to break up the SVGs, and save them off seperately. I've run into the same problem before, and it seems lots of the "consumer grade" software only sees the first page in an SVG (or TIFF for that matter).



Those other posts were pretty old, so there may also have been significant changes to the machine, it's firmware, and the software, that causes them to no longer be accurate information.
 
well actually,.. I'm not the only person that bought it,.. and was hoping the others that did would chime in Awesomeness, and according to sites,. the hassles USING the craftrobo are no less annoying,.. issues w/ how it doesnt like US letter size or issues w/ the registration marks, so its not more hassles its just different hassles and most of those kinks I solved in a couple hours. and 'sides if craftrobo had been found locally would have bought it instead
 
You're a bit misinformed there. A cutter is a cutter, and will use any paper size that fits in it. I use letter paper in my CraftROBO just fine, and the new ones are a second generation one. It takes about 10 sec to adjust for the only difference, which is that when you print registration marks, you need to use a slightly different set of values (that add 5-10mm to the margins, to adjust for those differences in paper size). That's it, and I was printing and cutting. I have done, and do nothing else (no importing/exporting, no other adjusted settings, etc.). So the simplest of CraftROBO guides is: Buy CraftROBO, buy Pepakrua Viewer for CraftROBO, permanently set registration marks to these 4 new values, print, cut, fold, glue. It even includes a free Adobe Illustrator plugin, in addition to the highly functional RoboMaster software (most others like to charge extra for other software, that you realistically need anyways). You're also not entirely correct that they are not available locally, because they are just sold in the US under different names, which I have found locally (they are sold as the Wishblade and Silhouette cutters).



I mostly just included this because I want to make sure people understand it correctly, if they read this. Please don't take offense.



You already bought it, as you said. I can tell you that I tried PMing and emailing all the members that had previously mentioned owning various types of cutting machines. None of them responded, most were no longer active, and all their posts were very old (most measured in years). As far as I know, we're the only two around that have cutting machines, so we're on our own.



You may have better luck trying to deal with DXF files, instead of SVG. More things support the DXF, because it's a standard amongst CAD software.
 
the issue on paper I read here http://melspapercraft.weebly.com/us-letter-paper.html and several other locations,. and it is Sold here in the US just not in stores near me,..found several distributors in the state one not to far away,.. just ordered one from them (main reason I bought Cricut locally, I can return it sooo easily) so now I'll do a side by side,.. and the loser gets returned,. but while I still have the cricut I'll do a little more research for people who just may happen to have access to cricuts free of charge,. you'll know what you need to use them for Pep
 
amancue said:
the issue on paper I read here http://melspapercraft.weebly.com/us-letter-paper.html and several other locations



Yep, that is the issue. The people that have trouble with it do so because they don't understand what the root cause is. That's unfortunate, because it's actually really simple...



The CraftROBO (despite where it's sold) was originally designed for the UK, and A4 paper. Here are the sizes of paper compared (from http://betweenborders.com/wordsmithing/a4-vs-us-letter/):



Millimetres Inches

Width Length Width Length

A4 210.0 297.0 8.26 11.69

Letter 215.9 279.4 8.50 11.00



So letter paper is about 6mm taller, and 17mm narrower. The CraftROBO's default settings are to look for the registration marks where they would be if you stuck A4 paper in. When you switch to letter, you need to tell it to print the marks in a different magin-width from the edge, so that they end up lining up under the "eye" correctly. So when you add some extra margin to the bottom, to compensate for the longer paper, you get the 32mm. And when you take away some margin from the sides, you end up with the 15mm/10mm. (The settings are a little off of what you would calculate. I suspect it happened because people were doing it by trial-and-error, instead of root cause analysis. The calculated numbers will actually work too, and I've tried them. Either way, they are close enough for the "eye" to initially find them and compensate from there. I think all other sources just read it on Mel's site, found it worked, and repeated the info.)



Mel's settings...

Top: 25mm

Bottom: 32mm

Left: 15mm

Right: 10mm



You can actually put the marks almost anywhere, and manually adjust where it is looking for them too. This can be useful if you're trying to use odd sized paper, like a greeting card.



I got my CraftROBO in the US, online. I should have clarified that by saying it was not sold in the US, I meant that there are no retail chains that carry them in stores (that I could find). You can find the US versions, the Wishblade and Silhouette, at a number of popular US retail stores though.



The biggest problem I've had, which is an issue with all the currently available makes/brands/models of consumer cutters, is that the cutting area is significantly smaller than the paper (and the printable area). So a lot of the unfolds available here really push the pieces to the edges, and you need to do a lot of work moving them to new sheets to spread them out, and even breaking down some of the larger pieces.



Another odd inconvenience is that there is no Pepakura DESIGNER for CraftROBO, just the Viewer. You can only see the registration marks in the Viewer, but can only move/separate pieces in Designer. So you need to own both, and have them both open, and you play this stupid game moving it in Designer, then opening it up in Viewer to see if it fits in the marks, and going back and forth.



One final thought is about carrier sheets. Most of the machines available, including CraftROBO, claim to have cutting capabilities that are 7-8" wide and up to 24-30" long. So you might think "Cool, I can just cut on legal size cardstock!" Wrong (at least at first). The machines all use an adhesive carrier sheet, but they companies only sell carrier sheets long enough for letter/A4 type papers. They expect that if you are cutting longer things, you'll be using sign-vinyl, which needs no carrier sheet because it has its own backing. I've been wanting to try making my own larger carrier sheets, which you can find tutorials/descriptions of online, using some backing material and removable spray adhesive.



Hope this helps
 
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what about the Cricut Large Carrier sheet,.. its 12" x 24" which should easily account for 8.5" x 14"

adjusting the size from the carrier size to the paper size in the cricut press the adjustments till the readout

matches your size hit papersize and done, tomorrow I'll know more about the CR as amazon promises it'll be here

tomorrow
 
Awesomeness said:
Another odd inconvenience is that there is no Pepakura DESIGNER for CraftROBO, just the Viewer. You can only see the registration marks in the Viewer, but can only move/separate pieces in Designer. So you need to own both, and have them both open, and you play this stupid game moving it in Designer, then opening it up in Viewer to see if it fits in the marks, and going back and forth.

Hmm...That's interesting. What if the margins in Pep Designer were adjusted for the CraftROBO cutting margins? Would you still have to do the Designer/Viewer rigmarole then? I plan on saving up for one (or a Silhouette/Wishblade/etc. locally), so maybe I can save myself some future frustration by unfolding for that size now. And since hardly anyone owns one, the bonus to the bigger margins is that I generally scale unfolds for my size (5'8") and people who are bigger than that will have the margin spacing available to scale up without too much part shifting--just shrink the margins.



BTW, how's your CraftROBO tut coming along?
 
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well from what a sales rep was saying Graphtec is phasing out CraftRobo (under that name) and going to a unifed Siholutete,.. which take that w/ a grain of salt
 
Yeah, they actually have the Silhouette software for download on the CraftROBO site now. Kind of cool, since you can use either. It would probably be more useful if I was a little old lady working on my scrapbooking empire, since there is a large community of Silhouette users out there that share files for cutting out puppy dogs and hearts. For me the free addition of the Illustrator plugin was great, since I can crank out very high quality vector graphics to then cut.



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MrOreo123 said:
Hmm...That's interesting. What if the margins in Pep Designer were adjusted for the CraftROBO cutting margins? Would you still have to do the Designer/Viewer rigmarole then? I plan on saving up for one (or a Silhouette/Wishblade/etc. locally), so maybe I can save myself some future frustration by unfolding for that size now. And since hardly anyone owns one, the bonus to the bigger margins is that I generally scale unfolds for my size (5'8") and people who are bigger than that will have the margin spacing available to scale up without too much part shifting--just shrink the margins.



BTW, how's your CraftROBO tut coming along?



Sort of, but that's not great either. Pepakura adjusts the top+bottom, and left+right margins together as one unit. So you can't make the Pepakura margins 25mm top and 32mm bottom, you either have to do 25mm top/bottom, or 32mm top/bottom. Either way is not optimal. You're already losing 2" of height, and 1" of width (basically working with a 7.5"x9" piece of paper). You don't want to give up any more than you have to.



And Designer still has no ability to "print" to the CraftROBO, so you still need both softwares, even if you eliminate some of the back-and-forth.



amancue said:
what about the Cricut Large Carrier sheet,.. its 12" x 24" which should easily account for 8.5" x 14"

adjusting the size from the carrier size to the paper size in the cricut press the adjustments till the readout

matches your size hit papersize and done, tomorrow I'll know more about the CR as amazon promises it'll be here

tomorrow



Which Cricut did you buy?



Adjusting the paper size in all of them is the same way, basically (or at least similarly easy). The CraftROBO is all done in the software, so you just choose from a dropdown. It's really a shame they can't cut closer to the edges though, on any of them. You'll have to readjust the pieces to move them away from the margins.
 
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The Expressions, it from the software adjusts from Carrier size,.. which are 3, 6x12, 12x12 and 12x24 and then, you can also from the machine itself after its detected mat/carrier size,.. tell it where the edge of the paper is if its not the whole mat-carrier
 
The Expression is nice, because it has the 12" cutting area. It costs $100 more than the rest, which are typically $200-250.
 
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