Want Halo Armor For Paintball And Airsoft?

[Camofred]

I know ghost, the point is safety not how injured you can get but it does not justify jackassery on any level.

Yes the media blows everything out of proportion, half their jobs are to help what faction they support win. i am just saying how people talk about this relatively young authoritative website and that source of what they think is wrong. we are here to discuss the topic, not say I know more than you and it gives me a right to treat you like dirt. another thing is it is a sport and their will be injury and you are right it isn't about how severe it is, but what causes it, but it is no ones fault if and idiot pulls his mask off and losses an eye whereas it is a fields fault if they allow a player to wear an uncertified mask. this is about informing people not to do stupid thing like wear a homemade helmet and what is best used for making a suit (minus helmet) that will not frag'em if they fall.

 

[LT GRAVE]

The point of our rants are that there is more potential of getting injured AT ALL. It doesnt have to be serious or not to your conditions, but to the media a somewhat damaged eye is a big deal. especially when it involves gray area weapons. And because this potential exists, and is far greater then the regular gear that is meant for these sports, it is better off to avoid conflict than risk it and/or promote it.

right ghost the media will always blow something out of proportion so that it gets better ratings, no one wants a boring story.

there is a lot of danger in both sports, and not just from the paint. there are hazards, like water, branches, poison ivy, nails, glass. things to trip on, bla, bla bla. it comes with the game.

but its the persons own choice to be safe and we can only advise them on making a good choice.

we already have people on here wanting to make the suits. so if we can help them make it safer thats what we should be doing

 

[Arithen]

How, exactly, am I being a jackass Camo? I am not saying i know more than anyone, but it is blatantly obvious that using your own armor in an airsoft/paintball game is a higher risk for everyone's part than it is with the gear that is specifically designed and mass produced for these sports. The additional hazards in these games such as (what Grave listed) Water, branches, poisonous vegetation, nails and so on are there, yes, you are correct. However, this has nothing to do what the majority of responses on here are complaining about. These obstacles are going to be there regardless. What the general views on this topic are saying is that a person who risks using their own self/made armor on the field, risks more than just themselves. That is every "Nay Sayers" view point on this topic. People get injured in sports, yes, we all realize this. But we should be giving tips about how to act upon doing this even know we know full well it shouldnt be done.



The government isnt going to start telling people how to properly do heroine simply because there is a better and worse way to do it. but some people are going to do it anyway, so we might as well tell them how to do it properly. <-- just an example, not an insult.



It is as simple as "Do not do it". The risks out weigh the potential, by an astronomical amount. I will state, yet again, the person that tries this puts the costuming community at risk of scrutiny (Albeit not much), and two very "touchy subject" sports at extreme risk of not only more scrutiny, but possible banishment.

 

[LT GRAVE]

ok, i think that we have expressed all the concerns that we could possibly have with this topic. they have been addressed and peoples thoughts and ideas have been replied. yes many of you are still going to say "dont do it"

, but like addressed above, there are people on here that have talked about it. and since some people cannot be swayed.

people are still going to do it. specially since i just remembered about the halo: red vs blue paintball game that took place in full mk4 with people playing the characters in our beloved web series. but anyways.

i am still going to continue to work on this and design something that works. and if anyone else would like to still discuss this subject, please do so. unless adam PM's me that he does not want this topic on here, i wish it to remain open and on topic with more conversation and less arguing.



can we come to an agreement on that? unless there is something that has not been asked or answered.



but i do like that we have had a good (but angry) conversation about this subject. i do like to see threads keep building and i do like to start lasting conversations. so please dont think that i was just trying to fight, it was more of a heated debate... lmao

 

[colinmon22]

Ok, I just have to jump back in for a moment here. I do not claim any authority or expert knowledge on either sport. Hell, I've never even fired a paintball gun, I'm just a casual, neighborhood airsoft player, but that is besides the point. The point is that there are many newer, and some older, members to this site who are interested in being able to wear their armor for airsoft or paintball matches, and that under most, if not all, methods of costume making taught by this site would be unsafe for either sport. While there is considerable debate on the safety of a few select methods of armor making and the dexterity or certain materials involved, I am afraid that this will go unnoticed by some members who fail to lurk the forums enough to understand the dangers. When LT-GRAVE mentioned the possibility of a sticky warning to the dangers of making armor for such sports, I began to wonder why there wasn't one already. I must say that after reading the arguments of Ghost147, I do now see how LT-GRAVE's post could easily be misinterpreted by an eager airsofter or paintballer who is subconsciously looking for any "go-ahead" to use their armor as, well, armor. As someone who was curious about the possibility of playing airsoft while dressed as the chief, I was smart enough to do some research before doing anything reckless. The scary thing is that there are always people who will opt out of the research and jump straight into battle with their pep suits. Because of this, I do believe this an issue that should be addressed by the 405th administration by form of a sticky; however, in the delicate situation involving media spotlights on the sports, I believe it would be safest for the 405th to take an unbiased stance regarding paintball and airsoft armor making. If a sticky were to be created, I think that it should list arguments both condoning and approving, as well as a clear list of what safety issues are of interest, and ALL known tests that have been performed by members of this website, and then some elsewhere if necessary. It should also list what methods have been "proven" to work with examples and evidence, as well as methods "disproven" to work, also with examples and evidence.



These are just my thoughts and opinions, not demands. Once again, I do not claim any superior knowledge on any topic involved here. I just believe this has become a major enough issue for the site to finally address. My opinion.

 

[Camofred]

How, exactly, am I being a jackass Camo? I am not saying i know more than anyone, but it is blatantly obvious that using your own armor in an airsoft/paintball game is a higher risk for everyone's part than it is with the gear that is specifically designed and mass produced for these sports. The additional hazards in these games such as (what Grave listed) Water, branches, poisonous vegetation, nails and so on are there, yes, you are correct. However, this has nothing to do what the majority of responses on here are complaining about. These obstacles are going to be there regardless. What the general views on this topic are saying is that a person who risks using their own self/made armor on the field, risks more than just themselves. That is every "Nay Sayers" view point on this topic. People get injured in sports, yes, we all realize this. But we should be giving tips about how to act upon doing this even know we know full well it shouldnt be done.



The government isnt going to start telling people how to properly do heroine simply because there is a better and worse way to do it. but some people are going to do it anyway, so we might as well tell them how to do it properly. <-- just an example, not an insult.



It is as simple as "Do not do it". The risks out weigh the potential, by an astronomical amount. I will state, yet again, the person that tries this puts the costuming community at risk of scrutiny (Albeit not much), and two very "touchy subject" sports at extreme risk of not only more scrutiny, but possible banishment.

ok ghost i am sorry for offending you. i did not mean you are being a jackass or trying to belittle people you are one of the only people on this thread that is thinking of the best for all our hobbys. i agree one hundred and fifty percent with you I was talking about some others in this topic. the one thing I don't agree with is "banishment" for wanting to make halo airsoft armor. there are way to make it safe, even if we have not found it yet.

 

[LT GRAVE]

camofred - thats why this topic was here in the first place. going through all the ways to find the safest one. i only started off the topic so that it could progress with all the options available. instead some people turned it into a pissing match because i stated my position in the sport.

being close minded just because there is a way of doing things on here wont help it. specially since i havent seen anything done on here by a professional auto-body tech who works with fiberglass. but that doesnt matter, dont need to start a new fight.



so can we please go back to the original topic of creation discussion?

 

[chwbcc1]

I have been following this topic since my last reply



LT-Grave your credibility, regardless of years of experience, is wavering. You claim to be part of a group who advocated for the sport and it's safety, but instead act careless towards the safety of the people of this forum by offering ideas and recommendations towards creating viable PB/Airsoft armor. To me this is irresponsible for the following reasons:



1) By continuing to advocate that creating safe armor is possible, only endangers the people of this site. This site host visitors of many different ages and different skill level and often times they don't properly read the sticky threads about safety and simple board protocols. So it is safe to assume that people will not fully read and understand how to create something that could even remotely protect them from weapon's fire. There are people on here that don't even read the parts of the site where it says to use 110lb card stock... They are using regular copy paper at times. They are not going to understand FPS or PPSI or what is or isn't the right materials to use.



2) While, it is completely possible to create something that could withstand the fire power of such weapons, Items currently available are put under rigorous tests and ultimately certified by a panel of experts in the field. I suggest contacting them and asking what they do to test and build new protective gear, instead of opening up a free for all discussion about what materials will or won't work.



3) Any field allowing you to test such items runs the risk of loosing their insurance. If an insurance company finds that activities are taking place that could compromise the policy, they will pull the insurance immediately and the field will close permanently. The vendor will have a very hard time proving the ability to be insured for this sport ever again. Safety is paramount.



4) Testing of this type should take place at a gun range with a certified weapon's master. This helps keep everyone safe.



5) I think there is a place for this type of discussion and testing because that is how new cool things are invented, I just don't think the 405th is the place. Go to Ning.com and create a community to talk about this sort of stuff. Respect the members of this community, acknowledge the relative inexperience of the members here, and do what is in their best interest and not support this sort of activity here. I'm sure that if your build a respectable community around the topic of creating viable paintball/airsoft cos-play armor (not just master chief) members of the 405th will support you and your effort, and recommend your site to people who commonly ask to make this stuff.



6) Create a simple liability release on your Ning.com site so members have to check it before accepting membership and start working our the details. This topic is a liabilty waiting to happen. No matter how safe you are or how well you screen your members someone is going to get hurt and they are going to say, "I read it our this site and they said I could do it this way... Blah blah blah..." Make sure you CYA!



I don't intend this to be in anyway mean or argumentative, and I apologize if it comes across that way. I believe there is a time and place and to me the 405th is not it. This is a place to build cool costumes and props, not build working armor and battle rifles... although if someone created that community I would really consider being apart of that!



So please take this as I have meant it, just some good old sound advice from an over-opinionated fool.

 

[LT GRAVE]

ok, im tired of this. ive been trying to be a good member on here since i started, which this is my second account cause the first got lost. in the 2 years i have been on here, i have only found a very few number of people are even willing to be leader and help in pep work. people praise peoples complete crap work they do instead of telling them what they need to do to make it better. any time anyone asks for something you get the response,"'search for it". obviously it didnt work or they wouldnt be asking.

since obviously i am not like the rest of you, i am going to leave this forum. im sure there are other forums with people who are more of a community of leaders and teachers.

 

[turtle509]

I don't recomend making your own paintball armor from the methods used on this site, there are too many risks involved and any smart field owner will check your gear before they let you play. Don't do it period!

 

[Camofred]

ok, im tired of this. ive been trying to be a good member on here since i started, which this is my second account cause the first got lost. in the 2 years i have been on here, i have only found a very few number of people are even willing to be leader and help in pep work. people praise peoples complete crap work they do instead of telling them what they need to do to make it better. any time anyone asks for something you get the response,"'search for it". obviously it didnt work or they wouldnt be asking.

since obviously i am not like the rest of you, i am going to leave this forum. im sure there are other forums with people who are more of a community of leaders and teachers.

OK so your leaving a topic you started because you think that we should act like you and belittle people because they cannot make a good suit and that there are not enough "leaders" like you who in fact act like insolent and pompous to anybody that proves them wrong or calls them out on what they say. and yes the 405th is a community of leaders and teachers and innovators who help everyone by making helpful suggestions and giving words of encouragement and not by thinking that they are better. people in these forums are leaders who are respected for their manners and help. on topic I am in the next week going to work on something I have been waiting to try.

 

[Arithen]

OK so your leaving a topic you started because you think that we should act like you and belittle people because they cannot make a good suit and that there are not enough "leaders" like you who in fact act like insolent and pompous to anybody that proves them wrong or calls them out on what they say. and yes the 405th is a community of leaders and teachers and innovators who help everyone by making helpful suggestions and giving words of encouragement and not by thinking that they are better. people in these forums are leaders who are respected for their manners and help. on topic I am in the next week going to work on something I have been waiting to try.

careful what you say, you might get warned by a mod.



but! I dont know how his post relates to this topic either.

 

[LT GRAVE]

OK so your leaving a topic you started because you think that we should act like you and belittle people because they cannot make a good suit and that there are not enough "leaders" like you who in fact act like insolent and pompous to anybody that proves them wrong or calls them out on what they say. and yes the 405th is a community of leaders and teachers and innovators who help everyone by making helpful suggestions and giving words of encouragement and not by thinking that they are better. people in these forums are leaders who are respected for their manners and help. on topic I am in the next week going to work on something I have been waiting to try.

no, not belittle, if you read what i said, it was "instead of telling them what they need to do to make it better"

why dont you work on your reading skills.

and how bout this, the topic IS "want halo armor?" if you dont want it then why are you writing in this topic. why not just start a different thread of why YOU dont want it.

surprisingly a couple people on here told me to just ignore what what you have said and just stay on here anyways..

well im not sure if i should listen to them or not.



ghost: i dont give a flying crap if i get warned anymore.



people have only read into this thread what they wanted to read and thats it. this is what i get for trying to do something, $#!T on by a bunch of assholes. ever since the 1st page you guys have been giving me $#!T, well f*** off and go to another thread. ill say it loud and clear for you again.

the topic IS "want halo armor?" if you dont want it then why are you writing in this topic.

 

[Belakor]

... ghost: i dont give a flying crap if i get warned anymore...

Good to know, consider yourself warned. Same with you Camofred, pull your heads in and act civil or don't post.



As far as this topic goes, I ignored it long enough but now you can consider it closed. The semi-offical stance here is we do not support using your armour for paintball or airsoft (or anything other than costuming). What you do with your armour is your business but don't talk about it here, even if you are trying to help people by making safer armour there is still a possible legal liability. That is if someone were to follow instructions on making airsoft/paintball armour and got something wrong which resulted in them getting hurt we could potentially get in trouble for it.



In short, you want to make airsoft/paintball armour? Go someplace that can cater to your needs, we're just here to make costumes not functional armour.