My Mark Vi Armor Second Go Around New Pics Added 7/15

Dreads

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<div class="bbWrapper">Hi all,<br /> <br /> Well after Chicago being cold for 3 months i was able to start to reinforce my Pep armor today. So i once mentioned using fleece material instead of fiber glass to reinforce my armor and today i did it. Here are some pics of How i did it and i will Include the steps also i will be doing this for all of the armor and i am going to do multiple layers on the but piece to make sure i will not break when i sit.<br /> <br /> 1. Assemble your pep<br /> 2 resin the inside and outside of your armor.<br /> 3. Trace the a pattern on the fleece of the piece you are going to cover <br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor016.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45007" data-lb-id="attachment45007"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45007" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor016-jpg.45007/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor016-jpg.45007/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor016.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> or cut out piece to piece the fleece together on a more complicated piece<br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor030.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45008" data-lb-id="attachment45008"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45008" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor030-jpg.45008/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor030-jpg.45008/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor030.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> 4. Using glue you choice here i am trying a new spry on glue first to attach and stretch the fleece on to yr piece of armor<br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor011.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45009" data-lb-id="attachment45009"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45009" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor011-jpg.45009/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor011-jpg.45009/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor011.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor024.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45010" data-lb-id="attachment45010"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45010" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor024-jpg.45010/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor024-jpg.45010/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor024.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> 5. you will pull it over the edge then trim it<br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor026.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45011" data-lb-id="attachment45011"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45011" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor026-jpg.45011/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor026-jpg.45011/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor026.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor032.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45012" data-lb-id="attachment45012"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45012" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor032-jpg.45012/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor032-jpg.45012/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor032.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> 6. then mix up your resin and resin the fleece soaking it like you would fiber glass<br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor033.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45013" data-lb-id="attachment45013"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45013" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor033-jpg.45013/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor033-jpg.45013/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor033.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor035.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45014" data-lb-id="attachment45014"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45014" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor035-jpg.45014/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor035-jpg.45014/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor035.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> 7. The let sit and harden in the sun or over night like i am. Them in a few hours you have yr Reinforce armor <br /> that pic i wil post tomorrow after i see how it looks in the morning</div>
 

theo s

Jr Member
<div class="bbWrapper">You could also do this process with cheese cloth, (or almost the same)<br /> Resin outside<br /> pull cheese cloth tight around and wrap it<br /> resin agein<br /> wait<br /> cut exess<br /> sand<br /> bondo <br /> paint<br /> wear</div>
 

Dreads

Member
<div class="bbWrapper">Also i got this idea form the tv show, &quot;Trick my truck&quot; and &quot;Pimp my ride&quot; It is by no means an original idea by me</div>
 

Roodkill

Member
<div class="bbWrapper">Ouh mah gawd. . . I deed not Noe about theze. I must tri<br /> kthxby<br /> <br /> haha kool Idea</div>
 

crackhead09

RCO
405th Regiment Officer
<div class="bbWrapper">yeah this is pretty much how you do fiberglass enclosures for your stereo system my question is, is it better than fiberglass cloth/matt?</div>
 

Dreads

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<div class="bbWrapper">okay here are pictures after 7 hours of drying time<br /> <br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor036.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45015" data-lb-id="attachment45015"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45015" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor036-jpg.45015/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor036-jpg.45015/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor036.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor037.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45016" data-lb-id="attachment45016"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45016" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor037-jpg.45016/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor037-jpg.45016/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor037.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> <div class="lbContainer lbContainer--inline " title="Newarmor038.jpg" data-xf-init="lightbox" data-lb-single-image="1" data-lb-container-zoom="1" data-lb-trigger=".js-lbImage-attachment45017" data-lb-id="attachment45017"> <div class="lbContainer-zoomer js-lbImage-attachment45017" data-src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor038-jpg.45017/" aria-label="Zoom"></div> <img src="https://www.405th.com/forums/attachments/newarmor038-jpg.45017/" data-url="" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" alt="Newarmor038.jpg" style="" /> </div> <br /> <br /> By the way It is as sold as my fiberglass pieces i have<br /> <br /> Also i used this for a couple of reason 1. Fiberglass matte or screen is about 5 dollars for a square yard (36 x 36) , while fleece is 3.00 a yard at walmart for 36 x 60 3 yards of it at walmart is more than enough and cheaper than 2 yards of the matte. 2. U can use a color if u want. I just used what was on sale. 3. Comfort no stray fiber glass piece to trim or poke you. 4. I just wanted to try something new. <br /> <br /> I will be working on the arm pieces tonight and will post more pics as i work along so you all can see the progress and at the end i will tell you out of the 3 yards of fleece i bough how much i used, i actually think i bough to much and could have just bought 3 yards. We will see at the end.</div>
 

AoBfrost

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<div class="bbWrapper">Muslin cloth works 99% the same as fiberglass and can be bought for 3-4 dollars a yard at any fabric store.</div>
 

kensai111

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<div class="bbWrapper">Very interesting topic, please keep us posted. I'll be stalking this thread.<br /> <br /> Cheers,<br /> Kensai</div>
 

rvb4life

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<div class="bbWrapper">Fleece? Really? and all this time i have been wearing it instead of dumping gallons of toxic resin on top of it! duuuh..stupid me.....<br /> lolzmaster i kid though. Great find. Definitley better for the cheapos out there, but i cant help but think Fiberglass Shreds are much stronger.<br /> i dont want a fleece-backed car body...</div>
 

Humungotron

Jr Member
<div class="bbWrapper">Fiberglass is stronger, yes, but definitely not cheaper.<br /> Fleece is great because its alot easier to deform than fiberglass. you can stretch it over an object and it'll conform to the shape of what you stretch it over, hence why it's so popular for enclosures and interior work.<br /> No, it's not gonna be a good thing to use for a car panel, but typically a fiberglass body, at least one that's well made, is up to a 1/4 inch thick. it needs to be strong enough to support not only itself, but all the extras that get put on ( widows, glass, interior, paint, etc. I do mean EVERYTHING). However, Since the only people here with 1/4 inch thick helmets are the ones who ride the short bus, you should be fine. If you're really concerned about strength, double it up.<br /> In fact, pretty much any type of cloth can be used for 'glass. carbon fiber and fiberglass are nothing more than woven mats of a strong material. The weaving used to make them is done on similar, if not the same, machines. It's a question of strength, really. given you're unlikely to jump off a bulding wearing this, or try using it as a crash helmet, I don't see why there'd be any problem with using fleece, or any other material, for that matter.</div>
 

Dreads

Member
<div class="bbWrapper">well we had a problem last nigth after work. the glue i used to hold the fleece to the pep came loose and the fleece came off in some places like like a mold. so i am going to ty a new glue tonight and more resin and it should hold better i will keep you all posted</div>
 

kensai111

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> Dreads said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> well we had a problem last nigth after work. the glue i used to hold the fleece to the pep came loose and the fleece came off in some places like like a mold. so i am going to ty a new glue tonight and more resin and it should hold better i will keep you all posted </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Oy, I hope you get this to work... I have some ideas in mind where this would come in handy.. Good luck, let us know whats going on. What glue didn't work, just for reference sake.<br /> <br /> Cheers,<br /> Kensai</div>
 
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rvb18

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<div class="bbWrapper">hey try doing what i do use the resin as glue, it worked for me.</div>
 

cgspartan

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> Dreads said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent "> well we had a problem last nigth after work. the glue i used to hold the fleece to the pep came loose and the fleece came off in some places like like a mold. so i am going to ty a new glue tonight and more resin and it should hold better i will keep you all posted </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink"><a>Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>don't use glue in the future to hold down your glass/fleece/whatever. Mix up a tiny amount of resin, brush it on where you're going to be fiberglassing, let it sit for a couple minutes, till it gets to that tacky stage between starting and it being completely set, then lay down your cloth on that. It will hold it to the surface without causing any problems to the rest of your glassing process <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
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4ng31

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<div class="bbWrapper">As a few have already stated beforehand, yes, this is how custom speaker enclosures are made for car stereo's. I don't really see any real benefit of using it on armor though, as you don't need to &quot;make lines&quot; which is why it's used in cars.<br /> <br /> Basically, you build the bottom of your speaker box, build poles up and mount your speaker ring to them. Then you stretch the fleece to the box corners and staple it in place and begin resin'ing it. It creates a smooth look...which is basically useless when it comes to armor/helmet building...but it still works just the same as mat/cloth.</div>
 
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