Odst Drop's In Water!

[AlexSpartan177]

Hi, Its me Alex!!! Yay!!!

I have a really good question for you guys, here it goes:



Would an ODST Survive if hes drop pod lands in the Ocean???



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[MstrMarine]

They die.

 

[ForgedReclaimer]

Maybe the pod has an emergency float system much like this POD hitting water at that speed is much like hitting ground so i would expect the pod to survive the impact. it might drop a few feet under but not much because the impact would almost stop it... almost, floats would bring it back to the surface and a small raft might unfold or pop out, its logical. if they didn't have such a system the drop in at delta halo would be insane and risky if one where to fall in the lake, that drop was to close when they could have gone deeper.





i suspect the pod, after hitting the water, the floats would release in a way that puts it on its back so the hatch can open and the pod wont take on water and sink, yes he would survive... if he survives that fall first.

 

[Meleck]

The pods are military equipment. They can survive is space (Orbital Drop). I would assume that they are designed to land in partically any environment. They are pressurized, we know that. So water wouldn`t get in. They are solid as they crash into a building and it`s the building that collapses. There is still a lot of room around the trooper so there is the possibility that there is a lot of stuff available to the trooper which we have not seen yet. It probably wouldn`t be very hard to transform one of these pods into a flotation device by using inflatable material or into little submarines. The mechanism that slows their descent (chute) may be designed to be used as a propulsion system if the pod lands into water or even as a flotation device that would keep the pod underwater and less detectable to sight.

They are aerodymanic so it may be feasible to have the drop pod speeding like a torpedo with the trooper on its back looking up.

 

[Sepharih]

^I just wanted to add that in the Cole Protocol it is established that HEV pods do have a backup reserve of fuel, in case they're knocked off course, that have just enough fuel for one extra thruster burst. In the situation the book described, one of the Spartans landed by themselves in an open field, right into the middle of an entire grunt battalion. She immediately fired the backup reserves and shot off like a missile across the field towards safety.



So in the situation where the ODST lands out in the middle of a lake or off the coast of their destination, assuming the pod is buoyant (which it probably is), they would just need to aim towards shore and fire their reserves. Now if you're more than a few miles off course you're probably in trouble...but if you land that far off course you probably shouldn't be an ODST in the first place .





That does bring up another interesting point though. What about situations where there is an intentional water insertion? Perhaps the ODST pod is even designed to take on water with a switch in order to sink and disappear? Just a thought.

 

[rundown]

Like any spacecraft?

 

[Sangheili811]

Also, the ODST's suit is pressurized so it can survive in space (read The Cole Protocol), so as long as he can swim, he should be fine.

 

[Tafumi]

I am rather confident, despite a lack of written evidence to support it, that ODST pods are capable of water-based landings - or crashings depending on how you want to label the impact. It would just make sense really that they would have some kind of equipment integrated into it to cope with such an occurrence. How much would it completely suck to have an entire ODST team drown because something went wrong and your team went into the ocean?



If I had designed the pod, I would have an inflatable flotation system akin to existing space capsules as well as an emergency pressurization system on the inside of the pod (to equalize the pressure on the inside of the pod while underwater) so the hatch's blast bolts can be set off and the hatch released - allowing for underwater insertions. In that, water is let into the pod at a controlled rate from the outside to equalize the pressure. Since the ODST suits themselves are protective equipment, the trooper should be fine.

 

[Overlord Ian]

If the pod floats, then sure, if not, they would sink and drown. Because they wouldn't be able to open the pod because of the pressure.

 

[ImaGonnaGetYou]

What's with the flood of "Would so-and-so person survive/do so-and-so action" threads?

 

[M07Marauder]

Well in Halo: ODST the drop pods course can be adjusted in mid drop so if they were near land dropping over water they could adjust course.



Otherwise yes the pod would survive a drop in water because it would be similar if not exactly like dropping on solid cement (belly flop for instance :lol ) and the ODST would be perfectly safe.... well if you can consider their job safe in general .

 

[ForgedReclaimer]

keep in mind that the pod was design mainly for ground insertions, to input all the other systems talked about the pod would need a lot of room around the operator and in its hull to work and with the drops we see and the hard impacts i would say that most of the pod is built for impact. seeing as most ops we hear or see are ground insertions it would seem that there is probably another pod designed to do water drops, that wouldn't mean that the pod we see cant do it, it may have emergency systems to handy that crash landing, lets say he hits ground built over a river and goes through it, the emergency system kicks in and keeps that pod afloat until he can get out.

 

[CommanderFluffy]

im fairly certain that drop pods can land in water and float. if the odst survives well their is explosive bolts that you need to pop to shoot off the door with so you can easily get out. yes explosive bolts are in h3odst first level in singleplayer. and because the pod isnt breached in any way it will not take on water but float like a bouie or be a few feet under the water still in a half floating state. so yea. thats all ive got.

 

[Tafumi]

Ultimately, the interior air only helps it float by reducing the overall weight of the pod itself. If the pod was made of a solid chunk of steel, it wouldn't be as light as a pod of equal surface area that was hollow). In order for the pod to float of its own accord, it has to displace the water equal or greater than it's weight. If it has positive or neutral buoyancy then it is fine. If it runs into the negative, it drops like a rock into the ocean.



So the real question is: Can it displace as much water as it weighs? Unfortunately, the only data I have is that the pod is 8.5'x9'x18' but I can't find anything on its weight. I could make some guesses based off of its physical size and taking into account the materials it is primarily made of (Titanium-A and Lead Foil) but... neither exist. I mean, Lead Foil does, but who knows if the lead foil of today matches what they're using on these pods.



You would need to know the weight of the pod before any real calculations on if it could float or not would be possible.

 

[GalacticWombat]

i read somewhere that they sink down and drown because the preassure keeps the door from opening and they become trapped.

 

[Garland]

If you accept Legends as canon, then yes, they do sink. In the first episode a drop pod lands in some sludge and starts sinking. Ordinarily the other ODSTs would get him out using some unspecified gear they had with them. However, the pod was damaged during descent and the oxygen tank was leaking rapidly. If it hadn't been for the Spartan grabbing the pod and throwing it onto dry ground, the ODST inside would have suffocated before his squadmates could have gotten him out.

 

[Kwydjybo]

Who knows? Maybe they float.

 

[ForgedReclaimer]

If you accept Legends as canon, then yes, they do sink. In the first episode a drop pod lands in some sludge and starts sinking. Ordinarily the other ODSTs would get him out using some unspecified gear they had with them. However, the pod was damaged during descent and the oxygen tank was leaking rapidly. If it hadn't been for the Spartan grabbing the pod and throwing it onto dry ground, the ODST inside would have suffocated before his squadmates could have gotten him out.

well, you see the pod go to the bottom, then it was on top so it seems to float, i think the only reason it was sinking and slow at that was because of the air leak and loss of pressure.

 

[ODST 276]

I believe that it would sink.(but how fast).The pressure inside and outside of the pod would be different,maybe the pod would somehow allow the air to escape so the odst could have a chance to survive.

 

[Tafumi]

It's not so much about the air escaping as it is letting the water in. That's what you want to do ultimately if you're going to survive a submerged situation like that. Of course, letting the air out, something has to occupy that space. So I get what you're saying.



Question is, how do you get the water in. There are only 4 ways I can think of it.



1) The pod suffered structural damage from the impact and is taking on water "naturally". At which point it becomes a waiting game for the pressure to equalize. But if you take water on so slowly that the end pressure is great enough to crush you to death - whats the point?

2) You have a weapon capable of breaking through the windows in the pod to let water in. I'm going to assume that those pod windows are bulletproof to say the least. I mean, they can survive an impact like that. They'll probably survive an SMG or a pistol shot. You'd probably just end up shooting yourself in the ricochet. Or maybe you have a punch-like tool that they sell for vehicles today which would be much more reasonable and economical.

3) There is already some kind of system built into the pod that will allow you to let water in. Just activate (provided that system wasn't damage or malfunctioning) and wait for the fun to begin.

4) You aren't deep enough where you can still use the blast bolts and it actually works in your favor. If you are shallow enough where the blast bolts can slide the door clean off, then you're home free. If you're deep enough where it won't slide the door off, maybe you are still shallow enough where it can offset the door enough to let water seep in. But if you're too deep, you blow those bolts and all it does is make the door hickup because the kinetic force of the blast bolts isn't enough to push the surface area of the door against the outside pressure - and you're hosed. Unless the blast bolts actually detonate some holes in the door seals. At which point, you go back to the waiting game.



Based off of what I'm thinking, you will not survive on your own accord once you get to a point where the water pressure is enough to kill you or rapid depressurization will take you out. As was said, the ODST suits are rated for the pressures of space. But not so much under water. And all of this is a given.



My end idea here is that if you didn't hit a terminal velocity, came in at a sharp angle which caused you to skip across the surface for a bit, and were able to deploy the blast bolts fast enough, you can get out of the pod. Afterwards, as has been said, you're still stuck in the ocean. Your survival at that point is how well you can swim or how lucky you are if there's a boat nearby.