Want Halo Armor For Paintball And Airsoft?

[LT GRAVE]

i would like this to be stickied for all new members/



hello, i am grave, founder of the world paintball union. we are a sports association for the positive promotion for our sport paintball.

i will tell you this right now. shooting a paintball marker (its not a gun) or a airsoft weapon within city limits while not on a insured sports field for the sport is illegal! if caught by police, you will be arrested and your EQ confiscated. you WILL be charged with discharging a firearm at minimum. they can also tack on vandelism, carring a concealed or prohibited weapon, attempted assault (varies by area), and a number of other offenses.

many places have banned paintball, airsoft and any other EQ that goes along with it.

if you are going to play either sport you are required to wear a proper and upto date ASTM certified mask/goggles, with a lens having few to no scratches and NO cracks.



everyone wants a set of armor for paintball and air soft. well there are some things you need to know. paintballs fly at 280fps or 182 mph. this is if everyone is playing by the rules and not shooting hot. building armor to survive this type of abuse will require more work then just our pep work.

there are a few ways to do this.

1. carbon fiber properly done, multiple layers with no defects.

2. layered vaccuform plastic with a foam interior. this will be a 1 use armor.

3. moulded abs or pvc armor

and about the best option that will actually help you

4. flex foam!



when you are giong to make a helmet, make sure that it will incorporate a full set of unmodified goggles. yes if you mod your goggles you are voiding the insurance of the field and they will throw you out.



this is all for your safety, dont whine and cry about it.

you only have one set of eyes, dont chance it!

and you dont want to know what a shard of fiberglass feels like sticking out of you.



i am here to help anyone who want to get this stuff ready. saftey 1st

 

[deactivyoke]

Hmm i know how to make airsoft proof armor. I got shot in the head pi\oint blank witha a pustol my bro borrowed.

 

[LT GRAVE]

well heres a thing about that, airsoft arms can shoot from 70fps upto 310fps with out mod's depending on the manufacturer. i know some people that have pushed 480fps, which would be only 15fps from being classified a firearm.

since you can never know how high someone is shooting, you shouldnt take a chance. and those youtube vids are crap.

i think you are also missing the point to this thread. its DONT BE STUPID! PROTECT YOUR SELF PROPERLY.

there are rules, follow them

 

[LT GRAVE]

also the fact you got shot point blank in the head, shows a lack for safety by your self and your peers. for some reason i think they may have been laughing at the situation? am i right?

they are not toys, they need respect just like real firearms.

 

[ImaGonnaGetYou]

1. I've never heard of this "World Paintball Union", and really I doubt it's any prestigious group, but really that doesn't matter, and neither does the position, unless you've conducted tests on the strength of armor and how it holds up to paintball and airsoft shots, you really don't have the right to say what it does or does not do.

i will tell you this right now. shooting a paintball marker (its not a gun) or a airsoft weapon within city limits while not on a insured sports field for the sport is illegal!

2. Anyone stupid enough to do this, whether in costume or not, deserves every second of jail time they get. I've never heard of someone doing this, and if I do I'll have a good laugh.



This topic has some truth about safety, but most of the "safer" materials you listed are just as dangerous, and basically everything in this thread has been stated countless times before. And usually stickies have a full compilation of all current information that is fully accurate and grammatically well laid out. You've got some searching and grammar fixes to do before this is going to be a sticky.

 

[Adam Anderson]

not to contradict the last statement, but i do think that this is a good thread, not stick worthy, but good information. i think that you shoud put up some type of video showing different senarios.

 

[DevilFish101]

shooting a paintball marker (its not a gun) or a airsoft weapon within city limits while not on a insured sports field for the sport is illegal!

that is only partially true, to be more spacific is "the discharge of any pantball marker or airsoft gun within city limits, while not on an insured sports field, or private proporty is illigal!

 

[colinmon22]

well heres a thing about that, airsoft arms can shoot from 70fps upto 310fps with out mod's depending on the manufacturer. i know some people that have pushed 480fps, which would be only 15fps from being classified a firearm.

since you can never know how high someone is shooting, you shouldnt take a chance. and those youtube vids are crap.

i think you are also missing the point to this thread. its DONT BE STUPID! PROTECT YOUR SELF PROPERLY.

there are rules, follow them

my rifle fires at 410 fps, unmodified. My friend has bled from 20 ft away (granted, the most protection we usually wear is goggles, lol). A few layers of fiberglass will NOT stand to airsoft, and those are small bb's. I can only imagine what damage paintballs would do. I think if some things get cleared up, this would make an excellent and appropriate sticky.

 

[LT GRAVE]

1. I've never heard of this "World Paintball Union", and really I doubt it's any prestigious group, but really that doesn't matter, and neither does the position, unless you've conducted tests on the strength of armor and how it holds up to paintball and airsoft shots, you really don't have the right to say what it does or does not do.

well, there. the WPBU has been around for the past year, we are all over the world and normally deal with companies, media, government and police. we try to make sure that nothing bad happens to our sport like in germany which is trying to ban it completely and has recently had a german swat team raid a tournament and arrest all players. we are known where we are needed.

im sorry that i am proud that i have successfully grouped my association together with positive results. i was merely introducing my self.

and i do kinda have the right to say about the legalities and such, cause i am repeating the laws and regulations that north america goes by (with some variances depending on state or provinces). the whole entirety of this is to try to get people to learn a bit of safety so that no one has to go to the hospital over doing something trying to be cool.

so try reading again, paragraph 1: intro, paragraph 2: subject, then the closing. or do i have to get the big crayon out for you to understand?

and just inbcase you have seemed to miss it again THE POST IS ABOUT BEING SAFE, NOT COOL.

WPBU: safety - responsibility - leadership

 

[LT GRAVE]

my rifle fires at 410 fps, unmodified. My friend has bled from 20 ft away (granted, the most protection we usually wear is goggles, lol). A few layers of fiberglass will NOT stand to airsoft, and those are small bb's. I can only imagine what damage paintballs would do. I think if some things get cleared up, this would make an excellent and appropriate sticky.

woaw dude, thats a lot of fps to point at someone. paintballs are meant to break and splat right? airsoft rounds arent.

airsoft rounds at 210fps can break through drywall, it takes multiple shots from a pb to do the same. looking at the size and weight can be misleading on this. i even have paint filled airsoft rounds, they also still do more damage then a paintbal and more damage then a standard airsoft round cause of the shrapnel.

now i have done a lot of safety test with this type of stuff. mostly the Tiberius first srtike paintballs. but that will be off topic.

 

[colinmon22]

also off topic, paint filled airsoft round are pretty worthless because of how often they explode in the chamber and jam the gun, but anyways, BACK TO SAFETY! lol

 

[LT GRAVE]

also off topic, paint filled airsoft round are pretty worthless because of how often they explode in the chamber and jam the gun, but anyways, BACK TO SAFETY! lol

ya thats about right. thank you for understanding the topic

 

[Outlaw Tiger]

not being a paintballer, or someone who does arisoft (not enough money, and no time), i found this thread quite informative thanks for the head's up on the rules, and speeds at which these things can shoot. while i wasn't planning on making halo armour for paintball (you basically become everyone's target), had i been planning on using my armour for paintball, i would be changing my mind after reading this lol.

 

[chwbcc1]

Here:

http://www.wpbu.org/news.php



I am not a member but here is the website. It's not very active and I think it's being sold as something it wants to be... (which could be a great thing) Chocolate chip kudos for trying to make the sport safer and to educate the members here about the importance of weapon (any weapon) safety.



I think the 405th should take a stance on the topic and post some rules about paintball mods and armor. I would hate to see someone get hurt because they heard it on the this site, that someone has tested something and it worked, only to have it fail epically and someone gets seriously hurt.



I propose banning the topic and all veteran members should re-enforcing the issues that this is under no circumstances acceptable discussion on the 405th.



I enjoy playing paintball and I have my fair share of injuries from the field but this site is about prop making. And honestly if I walked on to the field and someone was dressed as Master Chief, I would probably just quit. Since paintball should only be played on legal fields, creating this type of armor for personal use off the field is illegal. Again, a topic 405th should not support or condone.



If this is something people want to talk about or attempt, they can easily head over to www.Ning.com and create their own community.



I'm sorry, this is not my normal happy go lucky self, I've tried to point people in the safe direction a few times on the forums but recently I have seen another accident with some rental gear, gear that is supposed to be approved for paintball.



So maybe this discussion can be compiled, condensed and posted as a defined rule with consequences and then rewritten and stickied.



And as a personal side note: Please, if you are going to start a thread as an authority on a subject at least use spell check and proper punctuation. I am guilty of this as well when I get excited about a good topic, but a well written post can add integrity and respect to your post. And if English is not your primary language, just give a heads up so people understand that you are still learning this language.



I hope I have not offended anyone, I just want to keep my friends here, past present and future, safe!



Peace,

Jerry, chwbcc

 

[Jtd18801]

woaw dude, thats a lot of fps to point at someone. paintballs are meant to break and splat right? airsoft rounds arent.

airsoft rounds at 210fps can break through drywall, it takes multiple shots from a pb to do the same. looking at the size and weight can be misleading on this. i even have paint filled airsoft rounds, they also still do more damage then a paintbal and more damage then a standard airsoft round cause of the shrapnel.

now i have done a lot of safety test with this type of stuff. mostly the Tiberius first srtike paintballs. but that will be off topic.

420 fps is not a whole lot for airsoft. I used to be a really big paintballer but around senior year in high school my friends and moved into airsoft. Due to the fact that it's cheaper and more realistic. We all are using very high end airsoft guns ($100-$400 guns) most of our guns shoot between 370 and 560 fps. Yes that does sound like a lot when you compare it with paintball but you have to remember a paintball is a lot heavier than an airsoft bb, we all use high high end bb's that weigh about 0.25grams.



I'm not sure how heavy a paintball is but even though they are leaving the barrel faster they have much less inertia due to the smaller weight.

(Inertia is the reason why when you shoot a .12 gram bb you're lucky if you hit a target 40ft. away and if you use a .25 you can hit a target 200ft. away.)



Most airsoft fields will allow:

Gunmen(average gunners)----350 fps

Up to 2 Marksmen----450

1 sniper----550 fps



*This is depending on the field*



Indoor fields will normally only allow a max speed of 350fps.



I do not condone using pep work for airsoft. We take extreme care in safety we all make sure our glasses are up to date (we change them about 2x a season)and everyone that comes and plays with us MUST WEAR GOGGLES AT ALL TIME.



We wanted to test out my test helmet on our airsoft guns and when we shot the helmet it chipped it. I would not be suppressed if you shot it in the right spot if you could crack the helm.



And an airsoft bb will not go through 3/4 drywall at 500fps. Maybe a mettle pellet gun bb but not an airsoft bb. trust me we just went through fixing all the little divots in the walls but not one went more than halfway through.

 

[Arithen]

It's good information, but never the less, your promoting (generally) amateurs to make armor for them selfs that it's full intent is to show it off AND actually protect themselves. This is not a good idea. I wouldnt even recomend it for the pro armor makers out there. The reason i say this is because people make mistakes, and the last thing the 405th wants or any paintball field or airsoft field for that matter, is someone who made there own armor using help from this site getting hurt or someone else getting hurt by some small bit of fiberglass or what have you. If you want to protect your sports, then i highly suggest you do not go around promoting things like this. I play paintball and Airsoft, but i never, ever want to see anyone using there home made armor on the field. As cool as it would be, it's not a good idea what so ever because of the potential risks and already questionable looks towards both sports you see in society.



Doing this increases the risk of some idiot getting hurt. And Airsoft IN CANADA ESPECIALLY is boarder line illegal anyway. you have one single chance before someone get's hurt until the sport get's taken down because of a bad news report.



This is really cool. But i do not EVER want to see anyone doing this, and i Highly recomend, if you respect Armor Making, Airsoft and Paintball to NEVER try this EVER!



LT-Grave, i am sorry, but you are consistently talking about how you protect the sport around the world and deal with media, government, police and so on and you have been talking about safety this whole time, yet you cannot see how this is one of the most dangerous and foolish ways you could go about by holding on to that safety and regulations.

 

[Overlord Ian]

Really? another airsoft/paintball thread?? I'm not even going to say what I think... It would involve a lot of curse words...

And your asking to be stickied? Seriously? This is a costuming site not a paintball site. and those two should never mix if you have any respect for the sport/hobby

 

[GalacticWombat]

Good try at safety, but its not a good idea to make more of these threads because eventually some moron is gonna try to prove you wrong,and have it literally blow up on their face (im not saying what i would do if i saw it happen to someone because that would be considered insensitive). An accident that leaves somene crippled could not only hurt them and this site, but theres a possibility it could hurt halo and bungie.

 

[chiefer]

my rifle fires at 410 fps,

Holy crap, turn down you fps. Paintballs, I herd become leathal after 380 psi or so if you shoot them in the right place.

 

[Outlaw Tiger]

Holy crap, turn down you fps. Paintballs, I herd become leathal after 380 psi or so if you shoot them in the right place.

i believe that guy was talking about an airsoft gun... not paintball.