aabateries2
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i say kia. the planet blew up. he dead.
Jorge KIA or just MIA
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i say kia. the planet blew up. he dead.
how is this relevant to jorge? and the planet didnt blow up. it just got glassed
SchizophrenicMC
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I didn't say it WAS Onyx, only that it ALLUDES to Onyx. As in, it's the same TYPE of planet, possibly. It's definitely Forerunner in origin, which Reach is not.
I'll have you know I've read every Halo novel except the new Forerunner one.
yea ive read them too. i also agree that its a forerunner world. i still dont see why some people think its reach.
RadioactiveMicrobe
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ODST479
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People! everybody dies eventually. even super soldiers designed for the killing of aliens die. Even aliens die. There is no possible way Jorge could have survived a blast big enough to destroy a huge Covenant vessel. Jun is and always will be the ONLY surviver of the noble team. A little note. Jun was the only one that lives, but what are the chances of him leaving the planet before it gets glassed. Spartans fight till the end. So i don't believe any of noble team even left reach (excluding the space fight) What ifs are fun to mess around with, but honestly, we have to wait till the possible release of another halo game to find out if ANY of noble team survives.
I really like Jorge, along with the rest of the team. Except Kat. I hate her. It would be very nice if Jorge lived, but we won't know.
I really like Jorge, along with the rest of the team. Except Kat. I hate her. It would be very nice if Jorge lived, but we won't know.
captaincaliflour
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Everything about your post is off. Masterchief survived a slipspace rupture, which is why we bring him into conjecture. In addition, slipspace is not an atom bomb going off, you're tearing through reality, which the books and games have been rather unclear about in terms of the initial tear and its energy. While they're clear that slipspace IS highly irradiated, Noble Team survived 60 million rotogens at close range during the glassing of reach, which is enough to melt human flesh in seconds. And they're spartan IIIs, the cheap version, while Jorge is a spartan II, the expensive kind. Drawing more on Halo 3, Jorge would have eventually fallen out of slipspace with the rest of the carrier (as evidenced by how the latter half of the Dawn is floating through realspace) and thus could have ended up floating like John. There are really only two major concerns for his survival, both of which are largely conjecture and opinion. One is the inital slip space rupture, which is survivable if we regard it as behaving like an energy sword: vast amounts of energy contained by a generator (in this case the slipspace engine as opposed to the sword's handle) and thus what he was really going through was a doorway rather than an explosion. In addition, if he could find some method of crystasis aboard the covenant ship (which the covenant also use as evidenced in the books) then, like the Dawn and Chief situation, he could have gone into stasis until he could be found. However, this is the only conceivable way he could have survived beyond the 90 minutes it would take for his air to run out. A more interesting note in my opinion is how slipspace jumps behave, since its only conceivable that creating a rupture like that would be similar to an energy sword, or else the covenant fleet jumping into range of reach, even one ship, would have caused massive energy waves which would have conceivably eradicated the space defenses and potentially even damaged people on the surface...but thats off topic. In my opinion its completely conceivable that Jorge could have survived, however, as soloknight6 notes, he didn't want to. He was clearly prepared to die, and had no desire not to sacrifice himself for reach.
still it'd be cool to see him kick ass again with his chain gun
"Stand back and let the big man work"
still it'd be cool to see him kick ass again with his chain gun
"Stand back and let the big man work"
My point exactly, in all senarios, he is dead, with out the helmet the suit would only protect the body, even a Spartan II like was, he is dead, and as for the chief, we know he is alive, the other half of his ship (part he was on) is clearly seen crashing towards the planet, which as seen from space has structers on it, Also, if you have read the books, Cathrine (helsy) and the rest of his original team from the assualt with Charlie company on reach, the servivors went through a portal, and ended up on a planet, maybe just maybe, the planet is that of which the chief is crashing towards, would make for a touching reunion but i heard that reach is the end of the series....
alix965
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Gentlemen. Allow me to weigh in. It is Standard Operating Procedure for the Office of Naval Intelligence to declare any and ALL members of the SPARTAN super soldier program, whom are officially unaccounted for, MISSING In Action.
Therefore the SPARTAN/class-III-Heavy Weapons Specialist(ID*052) for Noble team also known as Jorge, is NOT dead.
There is NO provision for a '/presumed dead' qualifier. NOR is there an option to classify this particular type of UNSC personnel as KIA.
SPARTANS NEVER DIE.
Failure to comply with this directive-during times of peace and times of war- concerning the whereabouts of ANY SIERRA class asset is strictly prohibited per Section III protocol, and will be dealt with swiftly and accordingly.
Therefore the SPARTAN/class-III-Heavy Weapons Specialist(ID*052) for Noble team also known as Jorge, is NOT dead.
There is NO provision for a '/presumed dead' qualifier. NOR is there an option to classify this particular type of UNSC personnel as KIA.
SPARTANS NEVER DIE.
Failure to comply with this directive-during times of peace and times of war- concerning the whereabouts of ANY SIERRA class asset is strictly prohibited per Section III protocol, and will be dealt with swiftly and accordingly.
SchizophrenicMC
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I guess that satisfies the title, Alix, but you're being a bit shrewd about it. Jorge may be listed MIA, but in actuality, he's KIA. There are an innumerable amount of Vietnam War soldiers who are still MIA, even though they really died in 'Nam. The point is, Jorge is dead, regardless of his classification.
Califlour, you're making the incorrect assumption that every Slipspace rupture has another end. The fact of the matter is, to enter Slipspace intact, you need a controlled rupture, and to leave Slipspace, you need a second rupture. Otherwise, you'll end up blown to oblivion, at best, or alternatively spend the rest of your life trapped in the void, assuming you reached Slipspace intact in a vessel that can maintain integrity in the stream. Even if it were a controlled rupture leading into subspace, the ship he was on was physically compromised. Further, his armor was so compromised.
You say Noble survived 90 million Roentgens, but they were exposed for a brief instant, before they had their radiation-sealed armor on. Second, Kat was measuring ionization of the air in Roentgens, not the causal radiation; Covenant energy projectors aren't stated to emit ionizing radiation, but the amount of energy released can ionize air. Even then, Slipspace produces radiation on the level of billions upon billions of Roentgens, if the sheer amount of lead lining in canon Slipspace craft is anything to go by.
Even still, under the best conditions, Jorge could not have survived for long. And, considering the nature of the rupture, he would have been blasted to oblivion before he saw the flash.
The mistake you're making, with regards to Master Chief, is he didn't survive a Slipspace rupture, nor did he survive any notable time in Slipspace. The Ark Portal closed midway through the Forward Unto Dawn's entrance into it, splitting the ship where the rupture closed as the back half got pulled onto a secondary filament inside the rupture, and ejected, likely nanoseconds later. (A truly massive distance crossed, by Forerunner Slipspace technology)
He then proceeded into the cryostasis bay of a human ship, designed for human anatomy and human operators, and initiated stasis under the assistance of a smart AI construct.
Even if Corvettes have cryostasis capabilities, and he somehow survived a slipspace drive rupturing space itself, and then exploding as it overloaded (That, alone, would have killed him), he wouldn't have known where to find them, how to operate them, and they likely wouldn't have worked very well with his very-different physiology.
Can we please let a hero rest?
Califlour, you're making the incorrect assumption that every Slipspace rupture has another end. The fact of the matter is, to enter Slipspace intact, you need a controlled rupture, and to leave Slipspace, you need a second rupture. Otherwise, you'll end up blown to oblivion, at best, or alternatively spend the rest of your life trapped in the void, assuming you reached Slipspace intact in a vessel that can maintain integrity in the stream. Even if it were a controlled rupture leading into subspace, the ship he was on was physically compromised. Further, his armor was so compromised.
You say Noble survived 90 million Roentgens, but they were exposed for a brief instant, before they had their radiation-sealed armor on. Second, Kat was measuring ionization of the air in Roentgens, not the causal radiation; Covenant energy projectors aren't stated to emit ionizing radiation, but the amount of energy released can ionize air. Even then, Slipspace produces radiation on the level of billions upon billions of Roentgens, if the sheer amount of lead lining in canon Slipspace craft is anything to go by.
Even still, under the best conditions, Jorge could not have survived for long. And, considering the nature of the rupture, he would have been blasted to oblivion before he saw the flash.
The mistake you're making, with regards to Master Chief, is he didn't survive a Slipspace rupture, nor did he survive any notable time in Slipspace. The Ark Portal closed midway through the Forward Unto Dawn's entrance into it, splitting the ship where the rupture closed as the back half got pulled onto a secondary filament inside the rupture, and ejected, likely nanoseconds later. (A truly massive distance crossed, by Forerunner Slipspace technology)
He then proceeded into the cryostasis bay of a human ship, designed for human anatomy and human operators, and initiated stasis under the assistance of a smart AI construct.
Even if Corvettes have cryostasis capabilities, and he somehow survived a slipspace drive rupturing space itself, and then exploding as it overloaded (That, alone, would have killed him), he wouldn't have known where to find them, how to operate them, and they likely wouldn't have worked very well with his very-different physiology.
Can we please let a hero rest?
soloknight6
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This post is WIN. Do ONI represenatives like cookies?
alix965
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Dude! I'm not sure I like the way you wield logic and common sense!!!!
Unfortunately, yes, Jorge did his time. He sacrificed his life in the service of mankind and went out in grand fashion. To think that hundreds if not thousands of members of the dispised Covenant were dispatched by the hand of one human man, has certainly earned the giant soldier with an even bigger heart a place in Valhalla.
In real life, the best way to honor a fallen soldier is to remember their individual sacrifice. That way they live on in the memories of the survivors. Evan Jorge is certainly a fitting parable for those duty bound men and women.
mitch35542
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Could I put my thoughts here? Theres to many pages to go to and read so I'll just post as if no one else has yet.
The events in the game Halo REACH never occured, most and pretty much everything in it clahses with the actual timeline and already released cannon. Jorge has been said to actually be noted as a Spartan before the game Reach was released so he may be a real Spartan in the timeline but what he does in the Game still clashes against the real cannon. Not sure if anyone mentioned that yet... Well I'll be off.
The events in the game Halo REACH never occured, most and pretty much everything in it clahses with the actual timeline and already released cannon. Jorge has been said to actually be noted as a Spartan before the game Reach was released so he may be a real Spartan in the timeline but what he does in the Game still clashes against the real cannon. Not sure if anyone mentioned that yet... Well I'll be off.
alix965
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ODST479
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I'm pretty sure events in Halo Reach accured. I don't think they updated the timeline since Halo 3. Sorry to say, reach got glassed man.
Spartans fight to the death, like i said before. Alex, Can you imagine that if in the year 3000, Master chief would be flying around killing aliens. Of course not, he would be about 500 years old. Maybe i am just being a pessimist, but i am pretty sure Master chief would be dead, or a VERY wrinkly old guy! Maybe he would stay in sleep for that long, but what fun would that be? What are the chances of another alien race trying to wipe out earth again?
Why can't Spartans just DIE!
Spartans fight to the death, like i said before. Alex, Can you imagine that if in the year 3000, Master chief would be flying around killing aliens. Of course not, he would be about 500 years old. Maybe i am just being a pessimist, but i am pretty sure Master chief would be dead, or a VERY wrinkly old guy! Maybe he would stay in sleep for that long, but what fun would that be? What are the chances of another alien race trying to wipe out earth again?
Why can't Spartans just DIE!
mitch35542
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I consider myself a Halo historian of a sort. Most of what you saw as in what Noble team did in Reach didn't exactly happen. Its been awhile since I read the books but heres a few things that I remember. Master Chief after destroying the first Halo captured a Covenant vessel, I believe a cruiser, he, Cortana, and a few marines went back to Reach which was not glassed fully yet and rescued Halsey along with a few Spartans of his team. They had an artifact that the covenant wanted dearly and could not fire upon it without being killed by their own which was a great part of it. They made it to the ship which Cortana was controlling and made it to slip space which cause the artifact to react. I can't really remember what else happened and all that was bits and pieces in a line. I need to re read the books. Oh, and slip space and the cryotubes affect the aging process.
alix965
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dang!!!!:-o
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