Duke's Skyrim Nightingale Armor

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  1. PerniciousDuke

    PerniciousDuke RXO & BCO 405th Regiment Officer

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    Not a lot of progress lately. Work has been murder. Some people say I should give up being a hitman, but it's just so rewarding and profitable. Anyhoo

    Time to show off a little bit. Here I've got my setup. Box of leather supplies, box of leather and a marble slab for tooling.
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    Next up are my stamping tools. You use to get one free a month if you were a card carrying Tandy Leather member, but no more. Now they are $5-$10 apiece.
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    I've finished patterning all of the leather pieces. It might not look different than the previous mock up, so here is a comparison (right is current)
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    The biggest goal with the final pattern was to make sure there are no gaps and to pattern where the leather overlaps.

    Next is determining how I want to tool the leather. Game graphics are just paint jobs, there are several ways I can go about manifesting that look.

    One aspect is the shape of the details. Traditionally you cut the pattern in and hammer around the parts you want to stand out using a background tool. But, in the game it looks more like they just hammered around without cutting. I'll test both to see.
    Here are two possibilities:
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    Now, we won't know what looks better until we see how it takes to dye. You may think there are black skinned cows out there, but that is just their hair. Underneath they are all brown. I could just dye it straight black, but that would be boring right? So flat and hard to see the designs. Now, take a look at the reference. Tell me you don't see a lot of brown in there?

    Here's what I think the game was going for, quickly dyed black leather that has been worn and faded so much the original brown is showing through. How do I recreate that?

    Two theories so far: One, seal the undyed leather then dye black. The sealant will make it hard for the leather to really soak in the thin black dye. Two, dye a nice chestnut color. Then apply an antique black gel. The gel is thick and will really only stick in crevices and valleys.

    I'll post tomorrow the results of the dye tests and I look forward to your opinions.
     
  2. xXDashIVXx

    xXDashIVXx Active Member

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    I dont care what you said. I think the second one looks better! And dang, you must have been collecting those leather stamps since your were 6! A minimum of 70 months worth! That my friend, is dedication i dont have!
     
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  3. SI3RRA 117

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    I think that you could use both types of detailing. To me looking at the your first reference image looks like there’s a bit of the sharp details and a bit of the softer subtle stuff as well. Look forward to seeing the colors!!
     
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  4. PerniciousDuke

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    :) I inherited many of them from my grandfather.

    I think I see what you mean and I believe we're looking at just the softer stuff. Most of the sharp details will be created by layering separate pieces of leather. Or am I misunderstanding your idea?


    Update:

    I'm pretty disappointed with my color tests. They are far too brown for my liking.
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    Looks like I may have to go with pure black. I'll try a few more tests first.
     
  5. SI3RRA 117

    SI3RRA 117 Well-Known Member

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    I was talking how you shaped your details there on that test piece. But the layering i see working too. As for your colors is there some way to “dry brush” on the leather to highlight details? Or if you were to scuff it maybe?
     
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  6. PerniciousDuke

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    Gotcha. Yes, you can paint leather and I probably will a little to add the scratches, but I have to dye it as well.

    Update:

    Second color run is better.
    Here are four different ones and two close ups of the in game leather.
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    Any votes?
     
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  7. TurboCharizard

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    I vote for sample #2. It's got a good dark tone and the grays showing through in the recesses add a good bit of contrast.
     
  8. xXDashIVXx

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    I agree, but I havent worked with leather before, so j dont know any way if coloring it other than using a dye, but maybe you could somehow sand the top coat off? Or just do a faint misting with an airbrush... trying to think what punished props would do...
     
  9. Lieutenant Jaku

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    i vote sample #3 (at least i think thats the correct number)
    #2/#4 are too flat black and i think #3 matches in game the most
     
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  10. PerniciousDuke

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    Thanks for the input guys!

    xXDashIVXx SI3RRA 117 - I'll scuff up those little samples so you guys can see what sanded leather looks like. I will definitely be doing weathering with extra paint and scuffing so we might as well know now what these dying techniques look like weathered.
     
  11. Dirtdives

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    I missed the vote so I will just nod my head and grunt ambiguously. “Ghuurr”.
     
  12. PerniciousDuke

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    Never too late!

    It is going to be awhile till I actually dye the leather, but this is a big part of the process so I'd like to have my game plan squared away.

    I've put all my tests overtop of the game model (keep in mind we also just want something that looks cool. The action figure is pure black and he looks awesome!) Each pieces I've scuffed on one side with 150 grit and the other side lightly with 60grit.
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    I've also started an affair... Male Nightingale Armor Skyrim - WIP
     
  13. SI3RRA 117

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    I dig 6, the scuffing really brought the samples to life!! Maybe a little some brown rubbed in areas like the game model? Give that little hint of brown you were looking for? Unless your going for the action figure looks of just black
     
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  14. Badkitty

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    I think that 3 and 6 look great!! Keep up the good work, I know how hard leather can be to work with if it gets a little too dry in one spot and not another. What leather dye are you going to use? You need to be careful with some of it from overseas, a friend of mine got his jacket dyed at the leather shop locally and it "ruined" the texture on it. Good luck and keep it up!!!
     
  15. xXDashIVXx

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    I like 3, just get it darker in the recessed hammered areas
     
  16. Dirtdives

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    Ok PerniciousDuke, looks like it's between 3 and 6.....which I agree w. Badkitty. The others are just too dark or too light.
     
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  17. TurboCharizard

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    PerniciousDuke do you have a sample of the fabric that you'll be using for the cloak/hood/cowl to help us get a bearing on how your colours will play together?
     
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  18. PerniciousDuke

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    That is a good question TurboCharizard. Some things I will have to buy and they will most likely be hard to weather and come straight black.

    For the cowl I am not sure, but it will be handmade from a thick weave black fabric.

    The undersuit most likely a zentai suit for now. With things like the arm wraps being custom.

    The gloves will be store bought (or thrift store) and black.

    The boots. Omg. I never thought I would spend 2 hours shopping for boots online. But I think I've settled on these and adding the couple faux buckles myself.
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    Now, I think I mislead you guys with photos because no one seems to be siding with my roommate and my color choice. Lol. Let me back up a little.

    Part of recreating the game character is capturing the idea of the character that people have in their mind after playing it. With the nightingale the idea is that his clothes are black. Just like when they make an action figure of him he's jet black.
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    Now the question is which one is cooler?

    In person most people have responded the action figure. I agree, but I think if I were to make it jet black it would look too flat. (Turns out how to really make those ridges is wet forming. Make a wooden mold and press the leather into it)

    So, what I was hoping for was something darker than the game model, but still had some color or variance to it. That's why our vote has been #4. Remember, the background is the in game model.
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  19. TurboCharizard

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    #4 will likely show a lot of contrast to the heavy knit black fabrics as well! Adding highlights to darker materials is always easier than darkening up a material.
     
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  20. PerniciousDuke

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    Halfway through cutting the pieces and I'm already losing my elbow grease.
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  21. PaiganBoi

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    Since I have no clue about leather working, how much more work is cutting leather compared to card stock?
     
  22. PerniciousDuke

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    PaiganBoi It's more like cutting foam mats. You've got to make sure you're holding your knife at 90 degrees. You've got to keep a sharp knife. You've got to over cut to get clean corners. Cut away too much and there is no going back. Now imagine a single foam puzzle piece costs $40-50 and you also have to press 10 times harder to get the knife to cut through. It's a bit stressful, but I'm almost through it. Then comes the fun part of getting the leather wet.
     
  23. Dirtdives

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    Fashion has no time limit.......


    You could always substitute w/ headlight fluid.......
     
  24. PerniciousDuke

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    I did manage to finish cutting all those pieces last weekend! And I bought shoes online. :)

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    Next up, tomorrow I'll be taking one of the handguards and completing the process to workout any unforeseen setbacks using as small of piece as possible. I'll round and sand the edges, cut more details in, stamp around the details, form the shape by drying it around the shape of something rigid, dye it and weather it. Wish me luck!
     
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