FO4 Power Armor HD Model Project

NuKeremus

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Hello 405th!
As I am a newbie to the site and to pepakura and prop building, I thought it fitting for my first thread to be sort of an introduction of myself and my plans to the community.

I have been lurking the 405th for some time now and I really appreciate that there is such a large group of people offering up their knowledge of making costumes and props. This site has been by far the best source of information for me. I have learned so much from the stickies and the tutorials posted here, without which I'd have no idea where to start. So a big thanks to all of you willing to share some info to make it easier for noobs like me. Hopefully I can contribute something helpful like you have.

Some info about myself:

I have a Bachelors in Mechanical Engineering and I work full time as a draftsman for a mechanical contractor. We do mechanical piping and plumbing so I draft 3D pipe and equipment drawings for coordination and installation. We do hospitals, water plants, hotels, colleges, and other large construction projects.
Apart from my full time job I am also a musician. I play bass and sing backups for heavy metal band After The Blast and classic metal band EvidenceBlack.
I really enjoy both the Halo and Fallout franchises. I've been playing Halo since the first one came out and I've played every Fallout game except for Brotherhood of Steel. I've even played the incomplete F3 VanBuren thing.
Probably my favorite thing that I have seen from builds on this site has been the integration of electronics into costumes. Fans, lights, etc. I even saw a helmet with a light up visor. That stuff is BA

In the time that hasn't bean eaten by my job and my bands, I've been planning my first project!

My First Project:
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I'm going to apologize for the lengthy post ahead of time. I've been thinking about this project for some time, and wanted to wait until I had something to show before signing up and posting. :)
I've used [ spoiler ] to shorten my post.

Since I'm obsessed with Fallout, I'm planning for my first project to be Fallout related. I know this isn't Halo related, but I know I want to make a Mjolnir MK VII suit eventually.
I have been playing A LOT of Fallout 4 (500+ hours total) and the thing that I love most about the game is the power armor. Bethesda made a hell of a design for this one; something which actually seems mechanically feasible (at least as a suit to walk around in) and I have only seen a couple of start up attempts at making a replica so far. If not me, I would love to see somebody make the new power armor!

So here's where my project begins.
I have a lot of experience as a draftsman and I figured I would apply it to making better pep files for the Fallout 4 power armor frame.
The only thing that I have seen for pep files so far has been this: Fallout 4 T-60 Power Armor Pep files (with frame) - the RPF Basically it's the power armor meshes extracted from the game and converted to pepakura. This is the only file set at the moment! It's a start but it wasn't good enough for me. As good as the concept art for the new power armor was, Bethesda ended up simplifying and reducing the polys. Much more than I thought they would have. They mostly used textures to encapsulate the detail. To make sense of some of the some parts I had to reference the concept art!

Here's a decent example: First is the pep model extracted from the game. Next is the model that I created. Last is the 1/6th scale figure by ThreeZero.
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Looking at the game model it looks like the toe bar is part of the toe. But if you look at the actual foot, the bar is its own part on a pin/axle. The center cylinder and other parts are also simplified. These are details that would be missed if you built the foot using the pep made from the game model. Obviously I will leave out some detail when I turn it into pep but there are other problems as well. There is interference between parts that would impair movement if it were assembled, not to mention there are no actual joints or mechanical fasteners anywhere.

My goal is to make a model that works and still stays accurate to the original design from the game. I am drawing everything in SolidWorks because I know the program and because I can assemble the parts and see their movement. I can see interference between parts and check for collisions to find problems with the design. I can even stress test the parts as if they were built with composites (resin and fiberglass) and see if there are weaknesses in the design.
I might not get that far into it, but it would be cool to see!

For now I'm just going to model this thing and if I can't build it, at least someone can still use it for 3D printing or for making their own power armor pep.

What I've modeled so far
16-09-08
So far I've made the basic models for the feet and calves and I'm currently working on the shin. The shin is the main piece that connects the foot to the leg (hence why there are floating parts still). The feet look so much cooler in polished steel IMO
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I was making it from the bottom up referencing the game's models as well as pictures of ThreeZero's 1/6th figure, but with those I could only get so far. Now that I have my hands on one of the T-60 1/6th figures I will be using photogrammetry to create accurate models to clean up or use for reference. Once I'm finished with the basic models I will figure out the joints and how it will go together and make modifications to the model accordingly.
16-10-12
I've taken the game's mesh as reference to model the shoulder frame.
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16-12-23
I've built the fingers and figured out the general ergonomics for the most realistic hand shape possible with simple joints.
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If I were to build it
Let me start off, IF (that's a big if) I were to actually build this thing it wouldn't be a "functional" frame. No hydraulics, no servos, nothing like that. While I have basic knowledge of hydraulics and circuitry, I know nothing about programming and controls. To make a fully functional frame would be the project of an engineering team. So for this, it would be mostly for show, to see if it could be built. Maybe if it's not too heavy it could be worn for short periods of time.

The most important thing to consider would be materials. This thing would have to be built as light as possible while still being strong enough for a person to stand in it and move around.
The possibilities I've thrown around in my head have been to make the frame with mud-glassing. From what I have seen mud-glassing would add a little bit of weight but would be worth it if more strength was needed. If it's still not strong enough, there could be some sort of supporting rod rondo'd into the pieces. But that would be at the extreme. Some of the smaller weight bearing pieces such as the toes and heels etc would need to be back filled with rondo so they wouldn't be crushed under the standing weight of the average person. Overall the frame would be pretty heavy so when it comes to the actual armor pieces they would have to be made from molded or vacuumed plastic in order to be light enough to be worn. Perhaps some of the armor pieces could be made from foam where flexibility is needed. A mixture of all materials for various parts based on function would probably give the best result. Really the way the suit is, the wearer would be carrying the weight of the torso and arms the whole time, and lifting the weight of the legs with every step. The full weight of the suit would be felt when jumping.

Here's what I've made so far:
It's not much to be honest. When I made my first attempt at building a pep piece I didn't know much about scaling so it came out too small. This is how far I got when I realized that once all the resin and fiberglass was inside, it wouldn't fit on my head. It barely fit as it was.
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So that's it for now!
I hope some of you are interested in what I'm doing. If anyone has ideas about how to construct an actual power armor frame I'd love to hear them and discuss!
Are there are any suggestions for edits to my post? Let me know!

Thanks all!
-Nukeremus
 
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Flop

New Member
Hey ! I've seen what you're doing, I must say that I'm impressed ^^'
I'm also working on solidworks (far away from you lvl), but I'm expecting issues to find real composants (like the suspension system section, I've contacted some persons in my country in car mecanics to find elements I could modifie and add it to the "toe" but whatever... I've got a question from your work on solidworks, about the heel, how did you get the axe of rotation because in mine, there is only the "toe" which thanks to the air suspension system can have a little movement (with compression) and the ankle which got an an horizontal axe of rotation in his middle.

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NuKeremus

New Member
Wow, I've been absent for quite a while!
I've modeled some more stuff, but here's something more interesting. I just took my first shot at photogrammetry.
Using my DSLR and a shutter remote, I took photos as I spun 360° so I could make a 3D model of myself. I'm actually surprised this worked out considering the fact that I had to move myself for every angle. It's rough, but it will work for it's purpose. I'll use this to scale pieces to my size. I'll also be using this method to help me make better 3D models for the Power Armor Frame. I expect to have better results with the frame since it is a static object and I can use a turning table.
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NuKeremus

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A quick test on a 90° rotation of the power armor. This turned out much better than my selfie model. I still need to refine my setup a bit to increase accuracy and definition, but it's almost at a workable level.
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NuKeremus

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Updated my photo scan setup. I'll be doing it this way with the plates and microwave spin wheels until my swivel stand arrives. With the uniform background I should be able to get better masks now. And with the better lighting I get sharper photos with more detail.
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All the detail at 1:1
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NuKeremus

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Here's a full test on the new scan setup. Now that I am getting good results I will scan just the frame and use the resulting model as reference to for my drawings.
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ReClaimer8015

Active Member
Is this a special version of solidworks you use? Like - especially for engineering? Tried it out only once and decided it wasn`t for me. (I`m mostly concerned with simple CAD-drawings and easy geometry for architectural renderings)
Didn`t knew that there were such tools in it.... Is this standard or a plug in? Seeing a force curve would be nice while modeling.
Your skills are impressive - and all that next to a regular job/ other hobbys........o_O
 

NuKeremus

New Member
Thanks! I've been drafting since the 9th grade haha. I'm on Solidworks 2013 and there's an analysis tool that comes with it. I haven't tried it for myself yet but I have seen some other people use it and it looks pretty impressive (if you figure out how to use it correctly).
 

mblackwell1002

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Holy cow. This stuff is amazing. Sure, I've modeled simpler stuff without the mechanical features, but nothing even close to this complexity. wow, just wow! You're an inspiration, man! Nice!
 

NuKeremus

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I've constructed the scan for the Power Armor Frame. ~160 photos. The sparse point cloud is dense and incredibly clean. Now to wait for the dense cloud to calculate while I am at work...
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NuKeremus

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The scan turned out near perfect!! Just a little clean up and it will be ready to convert to a mesh. As soon as I get it into Solidworks and get a scale set, I can start building the real models.

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NuKeremus

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I have an actual light booth and turntable now so I'm creating a new scan which will fix the feet and hopefully be more accurate overall. In the mean time I've also figured out how to import meshes into Solidworks.
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GMer56

Well-Known Member
Lookin neat!

Last time I tried solidworks seriously was nearly 7 years ago (I once went for mechanical engineering but didn't have enough patience for the precision). I'd like to use it to get some fancy-looking technical drawings for my mech, but I never really liked solidworks because it used geometric primitives to construct everything (or at least the last time I checked it did); I'm more of a vertex modeling kinda guy. I'm curious as to how it handles edge detection on imported meshes for technical drawings. Making an exploded view would be the bees knees.

I wonder if anyone will try to 3d print your models when they're done... *glances at his DaVinci Jr*
 

NuKeremus

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There are a lot of tools other than the geometric primitives. I mostly create parts by using sketches and surface boundary lofts. I know there are more tools that I don't know how to use yet.
I've never tried making an exploded view with a mesh, but it worked well for actual solid part assemblies. I suppose if you take sections of the mesh as surface bodies you could do it.
 

NuKeremus

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The new and improved scan is now finished. In my search for a file format that works nice with Solidworks, I ended up exporting the scan to all file formats at various qualities. You can find those files at this Dropbox link: PA Frame 3D Scan Files

I generated textures as well, but I have no idea how to make them "linked" to the 3ds or obj files so that Solidworks will load them on import. If anyone knows how please let me know!

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PerniciousDuke

RXO & BCO
405th Regiment Officer
Community Staff
I probably won't comment much, because I have no understanding of what you're doing. But... I will be watching because it is freaking awesome!
 

BlueFire

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Awesome job modeling! I normally do lower poly stuff and I'm attempting to clean up a MK. V set of Halo armor from Reach in Blender, boy is it a hell of a project! Those game assets are so low resolution it takes a lot of work to clean them up! Cootos to you for being able to make these so high resolution, it would take me a day straight to make even one of those! :D
 

lbpc2

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i am a person who is trying to recreate power armor in real life out of metal, ruber etc however i am terrible and making schematics which would be quite important so what i am asking is for one fifle of your power armor and then use them as schematics
 
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