Non-Toxic Resin
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Sean Bradley
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rachciav said:
Wat too early to tell dude. Don't get ahead of yourself.
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Sean Bradley
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rachciav said:
erm... srry.
I'll get some details about process and prices tomorrow. Keep cracking on that pepakura til then.
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Still have to wait for Sean to get back to us on the price of this stuff and it's usefulness, but from what I've read on the stuff this is what I understand about it.
There are no toxic fumes therefore there is little to no danger to your health by just being around the stuff. Still, they do say it's sandable, so fine particles can still be created. I'd still wear some sort of cover for your mouth and nose. Still wear eye protection and gloves. Eye protection so nothing flys or splashes in there, not really sure if this stuff splashes, but better safe than blind. Gloves should be worn so you don't get the stuff on your hands and track it everywhere or stick it in your eyes/mouth by mistake.
All in all, you probably won't need some hugely expensive respirator for this stuff.
Really these kinds of safety practices should be taken when using any foreign chemical or substance that you don't have experience with. You don't know what kind of allergic reaction you could have to uncommon substances and accidents happen. Take Sean's advice when he comes back with more information on this stuff, but also take his safety guide to heart as well, even if you're not sure.
Happy forging.
-Magnum
There are no toxic fumes therefore there is little to no danger to your health by just being around the stuff. Still, they do say it's sandable, so fine particles can still be created. I'd still wear some sort of cover for your mouth and nose. Still wear eye protection and gloves. Eye protection so nothing flys or splashes in there, not really sure if this stuff splashes, but better safe than blind. Gloves should be worn so you don't get the stuff on your hands and track it everywhere or stick it in your eyes/mouth by mistake.
All in all, you probably won't need some hugely expensive respirator for this stuff.
Really these kinds of safety practices should be taken when using any foreign chemical or substance that you don't have experience with. You don't know what kind of allergic reaction you could have to uncommon substances and accidents happen. Take Sean's advice when he comes back with more information on this stuff, but also take his safety guide to heart as well, even if you're not sure.
Happy forging.
-Magnum
Skullcandy Girl
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Looks like a store here in Manhattan sells the Aqua resin, along with the specially made fiberglass that can reinforce. I also live in apartment, and aside form having to wait months to get my stuff resinned this could be the answer.
This could be a great find Spartan, way to go
This could be a great find Spartan, way to go
Skullcandy Girl
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Skullcandy Girl
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I read a bit more on this, it looks like if you get certian powders to add to the resin you can make something similar to bondo.
This stuff seems to be pretty versitile
This stuff seems to be pretty versitile
Spartan 051
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this stuff would be a nice fine
you can do the stuff inside out of the elements
you can do the stuff inside out of the elements
Just you basic safety googles I would assume, none of those used for firing guns though. You need the enclosed ones that rap around the sides like you used to where in science class cause dust floats. You can get them pretty cheap. I wouldn't imagine paying more than $20 for a pair.rachciav said:
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Spartan 051
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i think there like 12 to 1523Magnum said:
that what the college charges for theres at the store
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Sean Bradley
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Just placed a call with Aquaresin to get more technical information for us. Their rep will be getting back to me shortly.
I'm hoping that I can get us a discount based on the amount of business we could send them. We'd have to set up something for members.. I'll see what they advise.
After reading their cost analysis is seems that it may be slightly more expensive that polyester or urethane resins, but that cost may be worth it so some people who otherwise wouldn't be able to resin their costumes.. Also health-wise it just sounds much much safer. No respirators needed (except maybe a dust mask for sanding) and it cleans up with water.
Their slogan is 'Aquaresin - Costs less than you think!' We'll see.
I'm hoping that I can get us a discount based on the amount of business we could send them. We'd have to set up something for members.. I'll see what they advise.
After reading their cost analysis is seems that it may be slightly more expensive that polyester or urethane resins, but that cost may be worth it so some people who otherwise wouldn't be able to resin their costumes.. Also health-wise it just sounds much much safer. No respirators needed (except maybe a dust mask for sanding) and it cleans up with water.
Their slogan is 'Aquaresin - Costs less than you think!' We'll see.
Ruze789
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If this stuff could be paired with muslin cloth instead of fiberglass I'd be in heaven, it's just what I've been looking for...
Sean and everyone else in this thread, your research into this is very appreciated, I'm going to be interested in trying this no matter the cost difference as compared to toxic resins.
I would volunteer myself immediately to buy the trial size and be the guinea pig, but I'm currently extremely tied up and wouldn't be able to get to it for a few weeks... If nobody's tried it by the time I can work on it, I'll gladly give it a test run.
I'm looking forward to finding out what we can about this stuff and giving it a shot.
Sean and everyone else in this thread, your research into this is very appreciated, I'm going to be interested in trying this no matter the cost difference as compared to toxic resins.
I would volunteer myself immediately to buy the trial size and be the guinea pig, but I'm currently extremely tied up and wouldn't be able to get to it for a few weeks... If nobody's tried it by the time I can work on it, I'll gladly give it a test run.
I'm looking forward to finding out what we can about this stuff and giving it a shot.
that powder that makes it bondo like sounds pretty cool. then id be able to have really smooth armor too! ill check into that sculpt store and see what they have. i cant wait till that sales rep person gets back to you sean i reealy want to know how this works...and a possible discount! geez im like in heaven now! finaly i can have real armor!
Sean Bradley
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Alright, I just got off the phone with Aquaresin, and it alll sounds VERY promising.
I grilled their rep for process information and explained VERY thoroughly how we would be using their product, and what our process is. It sounds like a perfect fit.
Heres the scoop:
Aquaresin is a resin substitute that is mixed by adding a non-toxic liquid material to a non-toxic powder, typically in a 1 part liquid to 2 parts powder ratio, although more powder can be added for increased thickness (bondo-like consistency). He likened it to mixing 'pancake batter' The liquid and the powder are purchased seperately so that you can always use the rest of whatever you have more of leftover.
Aquaresin is more expensive than polyester or urethane resins, by about half. The prices can be somewhat confusing due to the liquid/powder being sold seperate and being measured differently. So you can't just ask for 'a gallon kit', you have to order the liquid and correct amount of powder to go with it. The prices he quoted me were about $16 for 1 quart of liquid and $16 for the correct amount of powder to go with it which makes a $32/half gallon kit. I should think that 1/2 gallon would be enough to resin a helmet, from a mold or pepakura. He also said that the prices drops the more that you order at once..
I discussed the possibility for a discount with him at great length, and he said that we might be able to set something up, but because we were spread all over the country and would be ordering seperately that would complicate the issue. If we were to place large bulk orders and have them shipped to one primary location and re-distribute them ourselves a discount may be possible. We'll have to work out the logistics of that if we want to pool our money for a large bulk orders in the future.
Aquaresin needs to be reinforced with fiberglass (although I'm sure that muslin cloth can be used too Ruze). He said that fiberglass cloth or mat can be used and actually that the mat would be stronger than the cloth. Aquaresin markets their own fiberglass to go with their resin, at lower cost than most other brands. The resin can be built up in layers, a layer of fiberglass can be put down whenever the desired thickness is reached, then sealed over. Aquaresin can be cast into rubber or silicone molds. Unlike polyester or urethanes Aquaresin DOES NOT SHRINK when it cures, meaning that the cast parts will be virtually identical to the originals in size. Aquaresin could also be used for pepakura, although the paper models will need to be sealed as Aquaresin is a water based product that would absorb into the paper and warp it as it cures. So we'll have to find the best product for sealing the paper models prior to resining them. Something like an aerosol clearcoat or sealer should work.
Aquaresin has distributors in : California, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Washington State, Canada, and Australia. He said they will soon be distributing to the U.K.
He's sending me a trial kit to test out so that I can test it out and report the usefulness of this stuff to you guys. When it comes in I'm going to run it through a full battery of tests, casting it, laminating pepakura with it, sanding/drilling it and I will thoroughly document and photograph the whole process for everyone and post it here. He said that if other members wanted to get trial kits to do the same, that they would have to negotiate that with their closest supplier, he couldn't send out dozens of these kits to different members of the same organization. But he was so impressed with the number of our members (and possible customers to him) that he really wants to work with us on future bulk and/or discount orders.
This is awesome!!! Personally I know that I'll be switching over, and I think we should spread the word. Their rep said that one of their customers is a company called 'Costume Armor' in New York... anybody know who that is? I figure if a professional costume armor company is using it... it should work for us!
What an incredible find Spartan267! Way to make an entrance!
I grilled their rep for process information and explained VERY thoroughly how we would be using their product, and what our process is. It sounds like a perfect fit.
Heres the scoop:
Aquaresin is a resin substitute that is mixed by adding a non-toxic liquid material to a non-toxic powder, typically in a 1 part liquid to 2 parts powder ratio, although more powder can be added for increased thickness (bondo-like consistency). He likened it to mixing 'pancake batter' The liquid and the powder are purchased seperately so that you can always use the rest of whatever you have more of leftover.
Aquaresin is more expensive than polyester or urethane resins, by about half. The prices can be somewhat confusing due to the liquid/powder being sold seperate and being measured differently. So you can't just ask for 'a gallon kit', you have to order the liquid and correct amount of powder to go with it. The prices he quoted me were about $16 for 1 quart of liquid and $16 for the correct amount of powder to go with it which makes a $32/half gallon kit. I should think that 1/2 gallon would be enough to resin a helmet, from a mold or pepakura. He also said that the prices drops the more that you order at once..
I discussed the possibility for a discount with him at great length, and he said that we might be able to set something up, but because we were spread all over the country and would be ordering seperately that would complicate the issue. If we were to place large bulk orders and have them shipped to one primary location and re-distribute them ourselves a discount may be possible. We'll have to work out the logistics of that if we want to pool our money for a large bulk orders in the future.
Aquaresin needs to be reinforced with fiberglass (although I'm sure that muslin cloth can be used too Ruze). He said that fiberglass cloth or mat can be used and actually that the mat would be stronger than the cloth. Aquaresin markets their own fiberglass to go with their resin, at lower cost than most other brands. The resin can be built up in layers, a layer of fiberglass can be put down whenever the desired thickness is reached, then sealed over. Aquaresin can be cast into rubber or silicone molds. Unlike polyester or urethanes Aquaresin DOES NOT SHRINK when it cures, meaning that the cast parts will be virtually identical to the originals in size. Aquaresin could also be used for pepakura, although the paper models will need to be sealed as Aquaresin is a water based product that would absorb into the paper and warp it as it cures. So we'll have to find the best product for sealing the paper models prior to resining them. Something like an aerosol clearcoat or sealer should work.
Aquaresin has distributors in : California, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Washington State, Canada, and Australia. He said they will soon be distributing to the U.K.
He's sending me a trial kit to test out so that I can test it out and report the usefulness of this stuff to you guys. When it comes in I'm going to run it through a full battery of tests, casting it, laminating pepakura with it, sanding/drilling it and I will thoroughly document and photograph the whole process for everyone and post it here. He said that if other members wanted to get trial kits to do the same, that they would have to negotiate that with their closest supplier, he couldn't send out dozens of these kits to different members of the same organization. But he was so impressed with the number of our members (and possible customers to him) that he really wants to work with us on future bulk and/or discount orders.
This is awesome!!! Personally I know that I'll be switching over, and I think we should spread the word. Their rep said that one of their customers is a company called 'Costume Armor' in New York... anybody know who that is? I figure if a professional costume armor company is using it... it should work for us!
What an incredible find Spartan267! Way to make an entrance!
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