What do you mean I can't bring my weapon???

Discussion in 'Conventions and Prop Parties' started by FANGS, Aug 2, 2016.

  1. CommanderPalmer

    CommanderPalmer Membership Officer

    Does it mean we are banned?
     
  2. Jme

    Jme

    For humanity's sake I hope not.


    "I don't know what's weirder, that you're fighting a stuffed animal, or that you seem to be losing" - Suzie
     
  3. Cadet

    Cadet Executive Officer Division Staff 405th Regiment Officer

    Dragon Con' policy is no REAL weapons. That has always been their policy.

    You can still have Prop Weapons, but no actual, functional weapons, i.e. Real Guns, working airsoft, bladed swords, props with no orange blaze, and the like are banned. As you can see in that quote of their policy, prop weapons are fine as long as they non functioning and peace bonded.
     
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  4. CommanderPalmer

    CommanderPalmer Membership Officer

    Haha. They can't ban us. Imagine the reinforces dropping in. XD


    Oh, sorry. I completely misunderstood. Somehow I thought it was all about props.
     
  5. FANGS

    FANGS Commanding Officer Division Staff

    DragonCon has NOT banned all weapons. They have banned, as always, all actual weapons which should be common sense but clearly they legally need to say it. You can still have your prop weapon with you so long as it is a non-functioning/non-firing weapon and it has been peace bonded. It appears that they have not changed from years previously.

    Frankly, the weapons rules at DCon are the most lax of any convention I've ever been to and I'm dumbfounded that nothing bad has happened. The fact that you can have a live blade but just not remove it from its sheath is wow....I don't have the words. Given how much booze there is, it's a miracle people have managed to keep each other safe.

    I do love, however, that they included water guns and silly string guns as being on the no list. I'd lose my noodle if someone got silly string on a costume I'd worked hard on.
     
  6. Asgardianhammer

    Asgardianhammer Identity Officer Division Staff 405th Regiment Officer

    From what i can tell with Dragon Con their ban policy is for "actual" and or working air soft, nerf, silly string or any other "Firing" weapon. There is no ban on prop weapons at this time. I gather this due to this line " All weapons must be non-working and peace bonded." it goes on to say no functioning projectile weapons.

    So it sounds like Dcon is still a go for your prop guns unless someone is reading something entirely different than me.
     
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  7. peterthethinker

    peterthethinker

    what D*C is doing is what most Cons in the USA are doing and have done for as long as I have been cosplaying . The 2 cons I work for are about the same.


    orange tip. Filled or plugged barrels .
    No * action * or moving parts.
    Kumo , NewconPDX ,Retro gamer expo , WWCC PDX, Eugene CC , RTX was the same too! .

    this is what the end user is willing to accept .
    Most * sane * cons have found the balance and thats the * industry* standard.
    to go overboard is just gonna scare fans away and they might never come back . just like bad fish at a diner.



    I agree FANGS Live metal of any kind is just risky... I used to do renfaires . Beet , Brats and blades dont mix well .
     
  8. FANGS

    FANGS Commanding Officer Division Staff

    At my second DCon a LONG time ago, my husband and I had taken a walk and were sitting in the park between World of Coke and the Aquarium. We ended up being pretty much in the middle of a police take down, guns drawn the whole nine yards, because some poor con goer who was clearly so comfortable with the rules about weapons, had taken a walk there with two live blade katanas on his back. He froze when they started yelling at him which made him not comply initially with their request. Which resulted in drawn guns and lots more yelling. Of course once his brain kicked back in to action he complied with everything and it was over quickly. DCon is tricky because it's so spread out so you really do need to be careful about where you have your weapons, real or not. Be smarter than that poor kid with the two katanas, ears and a tail who I'm going to guess needed to go back to his hotel room and either change his pants or have a drink or perhaps both.

    We also had a Stormtrooper in my Garrison who had an event close to his house so he decided to walk. Baaaaaad idea to have the E-11 with him. He was stopped by the police and questioned and I believe they took the E-11 but he could go later and pick it up at the station.
     
  9. jbowling1775

    jbowling1775 New Member

    I too had many pictures taken with young children at my resent event. At first I was quite surprised, one child was about 6 years old.at first I thought it was the idea of the parent, but the kid was the one almost begging to have her picture taken with me. I had my rifle, side arm and knife.
    I totally understand the concerns of some people and safety for all, but agree with what you said about giving in to these creeps and there threats.
    If I know that there is a convention going on and I see a group of halo Spartans walking down the street, guns or no guns, who cares.
    I guess it really boils down to comment sense. DONT POINT YOUR GUN AT PEOPLE.
    Use your head and the people who don't understand and know what's going on won't be afraid and freek out on us.
     
  10. jbowling1775

    jbowling1775 New Member

    Conneticon in CT USA has basicaly the same rules. Nothing functional. And has to have an orange tip. They also go through inspection and get tagged by the security/ staff.
    Furthermore, this just ride it out logic sounds a lot like giving up. If no one hears us complain, voice our opinion then the see no problem.
     
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  11. agentflorida

    agentflorida

    So even unrealistic weapons like covenant, and Promethean weapons aren't allowed?
     
  12. Cadet

    Cadet Executive Officer Division Staff 405th Regiment Officer

    It depends on the Convention. The primary point of this thread was to advise our members that IF a convention has banned weapons to please abide by the rules and not attempt to circumvent them. The discussion in this thread from a year ago covered several different conventions, but the impetus was GamesCon in Germany, where, yes, even Promethean weapons would have been banned.

    The take away from this thread is to always double check a convention's weapon policy, to always respect and follow the rules, whatever your pesonal feelings on the rule, and to practice common sense and safe thinking in regards to prop weapons in public spaces.
     
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  13. FANGS

    FANGS Commanding Officer Division Staff

    Morning, peeps!

    As you have likely heard by now, there was an incident at the Phoenix Comic Con yesterday where a person attending was found to be carrying real guns and knives and they have now banned all replica prop weapons and have changed their rules about bags etc. I suspect that this may have further fall out to other conventions, potentially MegaCon in Florida as well.

    Please folks, be understanding that they are trying to protect everyone while keeping the times to go through security as reasonable as possible. I know it sucks if you can't bring your weapon or if bag rules make your usual con plans difficult. However, please be sure to keep on top of any changes made and abide by them. Remember that you are representing the 405th and we do not want us to have a reputation of being uncooperative.

    I have no direct knowledge as of this moment about any changes at any other con besides Phoenix but I wanted everyone to have the heads up to make sure you check. Don't assume the rules are going to be the same as they were yesterday or even that they'll be the same tomorrow. If you read about a change, please post here and in any Regiment thread to let the rest know.

    Thank you everyone for your cooperation.
     
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  14. Dracosfire83

    Dracosfire83

    Just looked it up and it is overkill. It had nothing to do with the con. It's just some nut that wanted to hurt the police and thats where they happen to be.
     
  15. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives

    I'll start checking the websites of the most upcoming cons and post any new weapon/prop rules.
     
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  16. FANGS

    FANGS Commanding Officer Division Staff

    Much appreciated!

    Apparently they've installed metal detectors and bag checks at PCC but the lines are moving fairly well.
     
  17. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives

    I've gone through several of the cons web pages already. Most cons have instituted peace bonding of weapons. Either by securing "swords" to their sheaths or pistols to the holster. Regardless the orange tip seems to be the standard for all cons. Before going to any con, check the website for any changes in prop policy. It would really suck if you get to the front door and they tell you your weapon can't come in and your parked 6 blocks away.
     
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  18. mblackwell1002

    mblackwell1002

    Well that's good. Metal detectors aren't too bad, at least I get to keep my guns. I'm sure that once one convention accepts a reasonable policy, most conventions will adopt it as well. RN, ECCC is pretty prop-friendly. I saw people with all sorts of props who didn't have to deal with the po-po, so I don't have any reason to be afraid there. But I feel that they will eventually adopt the metal detectors...but I've got nothing to worry about, right? *nervous smile*..........right?
     
  19. GMer56

    GMer56 Well-Known Member

    Let's be honest; if someone really wanted to bring a weapon in and do some damage, they could smuggle it in their costume or something. Or even just attack people outside the convention center.

    A lot of times the type of people who implement these extreme measures do so out of a "feel good" mentality more than getting results. Granted, they do get the results at the expense of their convention goers. The appearance of security is more important than security itself: no one will try anything with a 7ft bouncer, but might try something with a 5ft martial artist in street casual.

    If I made a "weapon" for one of my costumes -the character wields a giant scalpel- it probably would get away with being a giant spoon or something.

    Best thing to do is either vote with your wallet - not attend such a restrictive con- or attend and submit a complaint.

    All well, Vermont permits open carry as long as you aren't in a school, bus or courthouse. There are rural areas here with "neighborhood watch" signs, so you can cipher out what that means.
     
  20. Dirtdives

    Dirtdives

    Well this conversation is geared more towards conventions rather than a school, a bus or any other public location. We are also trying to not draw any unwanted attention towards our group...... unless it's positive. If some individual gets dressed up in a generic costume and attends a con w/ weapons, the headline would read "Cosplayer w/ weapon".....We wouldn't like to see "Master Chief on the Rampage" or "ODST out of control" or any other variant of that nature. Just be careful and aware of the prop/weapons rules of the con you are attending. Lets not get in to what other people do and why they do it. That isn't what this group is about.
     
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  21. GMer56

    GMer56 Well-Known Member

    I'm not advocating anyone breaking rules, I just think its important to know the reason rules exist and their efficacy. That way they can be discussed and come up with solutions/improvements.

    Make sure to research a convention's rules before attending!
     
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  22. NZSpartanz

    NZSpartanz New Member

    Here in New Zealand we only have Armageddon Expo. Last year people had weapons with cosplay, be interesting to see if we follow suit with the rest of the world.
     
  23. TheAstroBot

    TheAstroBot New Member

    Well written post, and an excellent way of expressing the reasons behind a change in policy that people have highlighted as... Well, frustrating.

    Denver Comic Con this year actually implemented the "No Gun" policy, however, it wasn't handled well in my personal opinion. The policy on Prop guns was put in place the day of the Con, and people sadly just weren't being informed on time, not until they reached near the front of the line, in some instances. From there, cosplayers had to go to the opposite end of the building, turn in their prop (Which I hadn't even been told this by the time I was there, and had to ask three different staff members inside the con as to why my weapon hadn't even been inspected or anything of the sort, just taken and put under a table), and had to go to the end of the line. People managed to easily sneak weapons in, or at least did so on day 1. Saturday was a nightmare for cosplayers unto itself.

    Now, I'm not saying anything about the policy itself as a gripe about "Oh, no gosh darn guns, dis con sucks", but more so to point out that I think the policy makes sense, but I do hope that they implement it in a much neater fashion. In similar circumstance to Kaween's statement on GC, the timing was WAY off, and the only reason people outside the con heard about it was because a news reported about it, or so I heard. The most troublesome thing is the fact that I had to ask several people about the policy, which meant not all staff knew about this policy.

    I suppose what my rambling actually means is that while I'm fine with the no gun rule, I just hope for it can become a cleaner and better policy, rather than the somewhat nightmarish thing I personally ended up seeing there. FANGS is right- We live in a time full of uncertainty. I think the idea of erring on the side of caution and removing guns is a good thing. I just hope that cons that decide it can refine it so it doesn't end up making people angry or upset, and hurts the con's value itself.
     
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  24. ThermalSoarer

    ThermalSoarer New Member

    Reading about all these cons in the US implementing prop bans makes me all the more impressed with the way the show staff at MCM handled London Comic Con at the end of May. Bearing-in-mind that there was a terrorist attack in Manchester just a week before, they decided to maintain the prop policy the way it was (which is already fairly strict anyway), and instead implemented mandatory bag searches upon entry and sniffer dog patrols.

    I was there with the Rebel Legion, who were exhibiting, and I remember in the morning briefing being told that the police would also be patrolling the con all day, and while the Army weren't at the con itself they were nearby due to the countries' threat level being critical. We were also asked to refrain from arresting people or pretending to shoot people where possible as a precaution, but apart from that we were permitted to carry our blasters as normal and honestly it didn't feel much different from previous times I've been (apart from the show being much more spread out this year, which was so nice!). On the Sunday we were informed the threat level was reduced to severe, so the Army had stood down; but the police patrols, sniffer dogs and bag searches were still in force.

    Given that they already had a difficult time as there was construction work happening on the Docklands Light Railway that reduced the service available for people travelling too and from the convention centre, I think the show staff at MCM did a good job of making the show as good as they could for those of us attending (even if trying to get in to the show on Saturday proved to be a bit of a nightmare...).
     
  25. FANGS

    FANGS Commanding Officer Division Staff

    I think that any time organizers of a large gathering of people have to make changes to the rules it can be difficult to implement properly. And what they end up coming up with may actually the be the best they could come up with based on all of the things they need to consider. Sometimes that best is really icky for those of us going to the event. Not to mention how easy it is for wires to get crossed in what the message is when conventions are mostly staffed by volunteers. You're more likely to deal with a volunteer than with actual con staff which makes for a really horrible game of telephone where the story gets changed each time it's passed along from volunteer to volunteer. It leaves room for a lot of inconsistencies which make con goers confused and angry. Or sometimes you're dealing with two different organizations on top of everything else. The staff and volunteers for the convention and the staff of the facility the con is being held at. Now we're seeing another layer added of hired security and even police. It's only adding to the confusion.

    All I can say is thank you to all of you for doing your best to ride this out.
     
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