crackhead09's Fiberglassing Tutorial

Discussion in 'Halo Costumes and Armor' started by crackhead09, Apr 26, 2008.

  1. Iceman065

    Iceman065 Jr Member

    Would Tacky Glue be ok to use to make the Pep helmet? I know you said that you used Elmer's Glue, but I wasn't sure if that effected the way that the resin or resin/fiber glassing because Elmer's is water soluble.
     
  2. rvb4life

    rvb4life Well-Known Member

    elmers is fine enough.


    also, that bondo glass is acceptable, you are just going to want to kill yourself, its for filling in deep gashes in car bodies, much stronger than bondo. Its the same as bondo hair- consistency is very thick.


    and, I use mat, its very strong, you only need one layer, but it is very annoying to apply.
     
  3. Twitch8965

    Twitch8965 New Member

    Good to know how to do this, but i got a question.
    Would i go about doing armor in the same way?

    Start with a cardstock base the fiberglass it in the same way, or would i go about it differently.
    Sorry, im new...>>;
     
  4. Picorchu

    Picorchu New Member

    Prepare for a dumb question: Did you actually use the fiberglass cloth on the outside of the helm or only on the inside?
     
  5. LastSpartan

    LastSpartan Sr Member

    You apply resin outside and insde to give more strengh to the paper.

    But the fiberglass is inside only.
     
  6. Picorchu

    Picorchu New Member

    Thank you, now I can finally start fiberglassing
     
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  7. tributaryrose

    tributaryrose New Member

    Great tuts, Crack. I was kinda intimidated by the whole fiber glassing and resin. After all the tuts I'd seen, I got the impression that it was a WHOLE lot more difficult, but these ones that you did really clears things up. Thanks for posting 'em. (lol and btw, would a gas mask suffice for a respirator role?)
     
  8. S1n1sterTech

    S1n1sterTech New Member

    thanx man, that will help with my project alot
     
  9. Swolleneyeballs

    Swolleneyeballs New Member

    Now, do i have to have one of those fancy resperators? or can i just use a dusk mask thing?(or would my brain cells all die from that....)
     
  10. LamboMan

    LamboMan New Member

    Man i know you did this video like a year ago but i am totally new...i just heard about it last week and i thought it would be a cool summer project. so do you put the fiber galss resin on the outside too? :) ...oh and is fiber glass the same as resin?
     
  11. RELLIK NISSASSA

    RELLIK NISSASSA Jr Member

    A few points here.

    #1 Practice and be more prepared.

    #2 Don't give the camcorder to your idiot friend who resents his mother and throws in unecessary comment.

    #3 Hold that camera still or purchase a tripod.

    #4 Film as the highest quality that your device allows. The video was squint worthy.

    It's great that you are making tuts and inspiring people to help them succeed, but if you are going to get into this, you have to be good at what you do.

    Any job worth doing is a job worth doing right.

    Keep it up.
     
  12. crackhead09

    crackhead09 Well-Known Member

    1. i thought i was until that one point in the video i remembered



    2. he was the only one available to hold said camera and i too wish he would just hold it and not film himself i hate it when he does that because it sems he wants himself in everything he films.



    3. again point 2



    4. the video camera was from the tv productions class and i think youtube destroyed the quality plus the overbearing sun from florida



    and i understand the need for better quality in all videos yes its old and im learning from expierience and this was quickly put out after a horribly bad fiberglass tutorial (not a member on this forum) and i decided to do this video to show what i learned from this site and to stop the massive amounts of topics that were at the time overwhelmingly clogged with the same question over and over again.



    i know all of you guys have been patiently waiting for another bondo tutorial im sorry guys but i have no projects to bondo which is why this taking so long, other wise im putting bondo on something that doesnt need it and you guys will wonder why you need it at all.
     
  13. Spartianintraining

    Spartianintraining Jr Member

    i just started fiberglassing my helm its going good so far but my question is how many layers should i do on it and what to do if it doesnt stick?
     
  14. dprince59

    dprince59 New Member



    heyy i wanna no if ur fiberglassin it do u have to use the cloth or could i use like a paint brush?
     
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  15. Ghost147

    Ghost147 Well-Known Member

    another great tutorial! keep them coming!
     
  16. agroom

    agroom New Member

    Unfortunately I read this thread and watched the videos after I did all my fiberglassing, so I did all mine through trial and error. But I see a lot of common questions and thought I'd do a little FAQ on my experience. I did it a little different, but for the most part, all the techniques are the same.



    Q: Fiberglass cloth or mat?

    A: Both work. I personally used cloth, it's much easier to work with and less messy, but I think the mat might be slightly stronger. I used cloth first, then tried mat, did about 3 pieces and threw it out, it was just too messy for me to work with. Someone also asked about type/thickness. I went to HomeDepot and they just had 1 type of each, so that's what I used.



    Q: Do I use cloth/mat on the outside?

    A: No, only use cloth on the inside, apply just resin on the outside. If you apply cloth/mat to the outside you'll lose that nice finish and detail. You'll see what I mean when doing the inside.



    Q: How many layers?

    A: I did 2. I wasn't sure myself but then did a 2nd layer on a piece and found it significantly strengthened the pieces as well as gives you more depth to work with when sanding. At the least, I would recommend 2 layers on most of the body parts since you run the risk of bumping into things, people knocking on it and didn't want to risk it breaking on me after putting so much time into it.

    Note: The suit seems like it could get quite heavy, IMO more than 2 layers will give it more strength, but adds more weight. Up to you. Try an easy piece and do 3 layers, see what you think.



    Q: How many drops of hardener/oz of resin?

    A: The stuff I bought said 12-14 drops per ounce. To little and it won't cure well, too much and it'll cure too fast and become brittle. I used about 10-12. This seemed like it gave me about 8-10 min before the resin started to get gummy and not workable. I typically worked with 2oz at a time. This was about the right amount to use up most of the resin before it started to harden. On larger flat areas such as the thigh or chest, you could probably do 3-4oz since the application goes much faster than the smaller more detailed pieces. After 4-5 batches you get a good feel for how much you can do at a time.



    Q: How to reach the hard-to-get parts?

    A: Crackhead was right, use something like a pencil, scrap of wood, anything that can reach inside the areas. It also works good for pushing down the corners. Though any place you can reach with your fingers you're better off. You can do a better job felling the bubbles pressed out and smoothed than with a utensil.



    Q: How to attach the visor?

    A: I actually haven't come to this party, but here's my thoughts. Trim out the opening so it's nice and curved, taking out the geometric sides and corners, this will help form-fit the visor. I plan to put velcro strips on the back insides at the ends of the helmet, then put corresponding velcro on the visor. If you push the visor out as much as you can, then fasten it on the velcro it should make a nice tight fit. Personally I don't think you should use glue/filler around it, it might look "icky." I also thought of taking some thin weather stripping and lining the edge, this could help form-fit it better. Just thought though, haven't tried it.

    Note: Abrant3 has a great vid on youtube about fitting the visor, search for him.



    Here's some other tips I have:



    Applying the cloth: I never tried the dipping method, so here's what I did. I first painted a thin layer on the area I'm applying the cloth. I then laid the cloth down and rubbed it down with my fingers getting all the air pockets out and working the under coat of rosin in. I think applied another thin coat on the top, also working the resin in with my fingers making sure to cover and saturate all the areas.



    Cutting the cloth: Rather than using many small pieces, I would semi-custom cut out pieces to fit the areas I was working with. I think this method goes a little faster since you're not working with more smaller pieces. However, on more detailed smaller areas like the helmet I used lots of smaller ones. They're easier to work with in more detailed areas and helps eliminate air pockets.



    Gloves: I used disposable latex gloves, a pair for each application. They were about $8 for 100 so you get 50 applications per box. I did smaller areas at a time so I think I went through 2 boxes.



    Resin: I'd recommend buying a gallon at a time. The smaller 32oz cans cost about $10-$15, where a gallon is only $30 for 4 times the amount. I used about 2.5 gallons on the entire suit, though I think I was a bit more wasteful than most.



    Hardener: Buy extra tubes, the amount they give you is not enough to last the entire jug. Again, I used 10-12 drops/oz, so maybe using only 8 as crackhead did will be enough.



    Mixing: I bought small plastic mixing cups for about $.80 each, I think they work nicer than the lid though you can't really use the dipping method as well. I also bought 6 so I could do multiple batches back to back on various parts. If you're just working on 1 piece at a time then no need, but I fiberglassed the whole suit at once, so this moved things along VERY fast. 1 layer on the entire suit took just over a week. That was 1 coat/weeknight and 2-3/day on the weekends. 6 batches would take me about 2.5 hours. That's with prepping the pieces, cutting the cloth, application and cleanup. I'd then let them cure for 2 hours before doing another coat on the same piece, so if you're ambitious you could do 2/night on the weeknights.



    Brushes: I started with 2" bristle brushes and Acetone to clean up. I ended up spending a lot of $ on Acetone and the brushes got about 5-6 uses before I couldn't clean them anymore. In the end I bought a box of 288 foam brushes from HomeDepot for $65. I only used about half the box, but in the long run it was far less expensive than cleaning, way less cleanup, and I have more for future work. Of course, brushes are not needed for the dipping method.



    Location: WORK IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA!!! I did it in my garage with the door open and fan blowing out. Somewhere outside is ideal. Also, the fiberglass cloth/mat and resin can get VERY MESSY! Work in an area that you can get messy. If you don't have something like that, lay down cardboard over the entire work surface and around the floor so you don't ruin it with drips of resin. I made a makeshift table out of some old plywood and 2x4s. Also, you'll get a lot of stray strings working with the cloth. Have a shop-vac around to clean up. I also had a "drip box" under where I worked so it would catch any cut-offs and resin drips. Helps keep the mess to a minimum.



    That's about all I can think of, so I hope this helps everyone!
     
  17. Palne Calon1

    Palne Calon1 New Member

    Hey mate,

    Nice tutorial, very helpfull.

    One question... What is the best way to get the fiberglass right into the front of the peak?



    Cheers,

    Neil P.
     
  18. Pa3ots24

    Pa3ots24 New Member

     
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  19. 6uyiz

    6uyiz New Member

    Thank you this helps a lot. :)
     
  20. Versinke

    Versinke Jr Member

    Whoa , that pretty helpfull , I was woundering how to fiberglas, and by searching i found your tutorial that is clearly the one i looked for . Thanks a lot .
     
  21. gibbsy19

    gibbsy19 New Member

    so you put the fibure glass cloth on the inside i thought it was the outside --
     
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  22. corby

    corby Member



    Cloth goes on the inside. If you put the cloth on the outside it will be to difficult to get a smooth appearance
     
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  23. ryancap97

    ryancap97 New Member

    Thanks, this helps a whole lot!
     
  24. Xbox Fanboy

    Xbox Fanboy Jr Member

    Great tut crackhead09, when I first say this on youtube I didn't know it was you lol
     
  25. jake11124

    jake11124 Jr Member

    That makes much more sense than what I thought to do.
     

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