Good point, all well, it would have been cool though to see a five year old bench pressing 100lbs, lol. As for calling chief sir, not all military people act like that.In real life he would, I've seen it. Well, not the slapping, but certainly a comment that the person in question ought to know proper forms of address.
But I get it, real world military ranks are not equivalent to those in the game and most of the novels. Halo: Flood, having been written by an ex-military man, does a better job at matching up the way the real world military talks to each other.
On the other matter, if the Spartan genes are recessive, there is a good possibility that any children would suffer from genetic deformities and diseases. Taking out the ability to reproduce probably was a kindness.
As you say, it was an order. If it hadn't been one, it would have been self defense. I don't really see how this proves any kind of indifference.To me 117 seems to be the "wind-up" soldier Ackerson accused him of being In Fall of Reach. He faced off with fellow UNSC servicemen in the gymnasium of the UNSC Atlas on page 68 paragraph 2 and once ordered he proceeded to maim and or kill four ODST troopers.
I'd say that is simply Cortana's arrogant personality. At the beginning of Halo:CE she also more or less says that Keyes is an idiot for going manual with the Pillar of Autumn. She isn't trying to express that the Chief is a barbarian, she wants to point out how very advanced she is herself.True Cortana gives him credit for NOT being a mindless killer when she first "meets" him but then she admonishes him after getting to know him by saying "This ring is not a cudgel, you barbarian." at the Assualt on the Control room.
The battle of Cote D' Azur is not an example for this rationale, because trying to save the Marines actually weakened the Spartans, the tactically stronger move here would have been to ignore them.However The UNSC personnel on the Pillar of Autumn that managed to make it onto installation 04 were more assets than they were lives to be saved. When given an individual who is driven by his desire to WIN, these assets could make the difference between victory and defeat, especially BEFORE the Flood are loosed. A good example of this rationale is at the battle of Cote D' Azur on page 176, where the Chief and his team is tasked with rallying a severely decimated UNSC marine contingent. "they were now part of his team but they lacked the Spartan's firepower and training so they had to be protected." So all of the shoulder pats and serviceman tossing were more a stacking of the odds for his team rather a saving of lives in peril.
I think that an experiment is something you do because you want to test some kind of assumption you have. There was nothing to be tested with those augmentations, however. They already knew about the desired positive effects and they also knew about the possible side effects and they simply accepted the risk. Sure, they may have learned something from it, but that doesn't make it an experiment.how the nature of the augmentations was never thoroughly explored on human subjects so therefore experimental
Spartans definitely are strange, but that doesn't mean they have psychological problems.But I contend there is no way that someone goes through what this poor man has and come through it psychologically intact.
I don't find that strange. If four beefy, spec-ops types were going to work me over, I would feel little or no remorse at cleaning their clock. I doubt they would care if Chief had been killed instead of them.To me 117 seems to be the "wind-up" soldier Ackerson accused him of being In Fall of Reach. He faced off with fellow UNSC servicemen in the gymnasium of the UNSC Atlas on page 68 paragraph 2 and once ordered he proceeded to maim and or kill four ODST troopers. Later felt "strangely" sorry for the men, but immediately afterward CPO Mendez issues standing orders as a from of salve to the Chief. He is to fulfill the mission and keep his team safe. The wording of this standing order implies indifference toward anyone who is not part of his team or the mission. Perhaps before this incident the Chief had the benefit of reflecting on his own emotions before making a decision where lives were at stake.
To use Cortana's quote their is unfair, because, if I'm not mistaken, she had already been in the core and knew exactly how the ring worked. John didn't. He made a perfectly obvious assumption that ended up being wrong.The argument about the differences between fighting insurrectionists, and all the politics that come with that enemy, versus an otherworldly alien race, is a valid one. But I submit to you ladies and gentlemen, that John117 sees only three ways to react to people.if superior obey, if part of his team help, if threat neutralize them, as seen on page 66 paragraph 1. He is in fact a killing(hurting) MACHINE. True Cortana gives him credit for NOT being a mindless killer when she first "meets" him but then she admonishes him after getting to know him by saying "This ring is not a cudgel, you barbarian." at the Assualt on the Control room.
If John ALWAYS put the mission first, he would have sadly told Johnson that he had to leave him behind, but he didn't. John was ready to carry him out, even though that would drastically hurt his chances of success. It took Johnson to bring Chief back to reality and tell 117 to leave him behind. Chief, however, was ready to put Johnson before the mission. I think that says something.Sgt. Avery Johnson was one tough hombre. He braved the Covenant and the Flood with equal skill and determination, even a Spartan would be impressed by Sarge's resilience, he was often at the Chiefs side and as such was a de facto part of his TEAM. behold the pattern? I aslo believe that Sergeant Johnson may have gotten on the Chief's good side because he reminded Him of his earliest non-com CPO Franklin Mendez.
I agree that maybe I just don't want to call 117 a psychopath, but I think my attitude in that regard is important. John is a type of all our men in uniform. When they come home from war, many are quick to slap a label on them as "unstable," "psychopath," or other things. These men gave the best years of their lives so we can live in peace, and all we can do is label them and recommend a good shrink. These men don't need a label. They need our understanding and patience on the job or at home.Perhaps psychopathic killer is too conventional a term for Spartan 117 as some indicators of psychopathology don't quite suit him. Maybe maladjusted or hyper-lethal is a more PC way of saying killing machine in the future. But I contend there is no way that someone goes through what this poor man has and come through it psychologically intact.
Ha, I neither smoke nor drink... good thing I'm not in Bavaria. But if you insist, they have coke, too and smoking in public is illegal ;-)
I'll look forward to your PM! We haven't discussed the ones you posted, but I think you'll find it amusing!Sangheili, I think I'll be sending you that PM. Your point about our fighting men and women makes this subject a lot more sobering than I care to admit.
Also, I thought I was the only one who discussed how Lando had no hope of trying to save Han from his date with the carbonite. Or how it is that Major Motoko Kusanagi can be so damn sexy yet 99 percent machine or whether or not Oz was the name of the wizard or the name of the city.