Newest update on halo files from .PDO / .OBJ converted to .STL (CnC) cuttable weapons

[Carpathia]

2nd. Adam Grumbo has said he's spent over 200 dollars per cast on some of his videos. Ouch where as you've claimed without any proof that you've spent less.

I never claimed that I made a mold/cast for less than $200, because I've never made a mold/cast. There's a difference between building the armor from pep, and making a mold/cast.

Ithica has listed in the noob required mats. The required mats if you go price shopping in any military store you'll find the cost not false that you would spent a min of almost 500 dollars on all the required material he's asking you to buy for saftey. Steel toe boots good ones go for 200 bucks. How do I know I used to be in the navy.

Again, this is a very old list made by a member who is no longer active. You don't need expensive materials like this. You don't need steel toe boots for a costume. And, yes, I'm fully aware of how expensive good steel toe boots can be, I was in the Navy too.

...You claim to have spent time in home depot? And you don't now how to custom order wood.

I've never felt the need to special order anything from stores like Home Depot, least of which a huge block of wood. I'm very aware that there are places that can custom make materials for you, I used to work at a wood products shop as well, but they're almost always prohibitively expensive.

If you look at BlueRelm studios you see they pirated their version of their CnC machine. The only thing they bought was the plexiglass windows to keep the wood in. The shop vac to vacum up the wood chips and the x,y,z cutting head and the rolling bars for it. Other than that if you knew anything about CnC their CnC machine is scratch built. It's not proffesional in anyway. IT looks like they spent at the most 300 dollars on it.

I know that the CNC shown in their videos is home-made. I used to work with a rather large CNC machine, I know a home-made when I see one. Perhaps there are others who don't know this, so, fine.

You complain about expenses for a hobby. THe only way you can produce anything is because your fearless leader shares what he knows with you.

I never complained about how much the hobby costs, I know how much it costs. You're the one who claimed that by watching vids and reading posts that you know how much it costs and that you can do it cheaper. And while it may have been true five or six years ago that we all know what we know only because Adam tells us what he knows, that's not really the case anymore. Yes, he runs the site, but he rarely shares anything here anymore other than the occasional comment or article. Many of the current members learned what they know from other members. Look at the Mentor Program, see Adam's name anywhere in that? No, because it was something developed by the members of the site. Yes, we all owe Adam a debt of gratitude for introducing us to the idea of creating Halo armor. Adam set things in motion, and it's grown bigger than even he could have imagined and taken on a life of its own. Even if these forums were shut down now, the hobby would continue.

I've offered to convert armor files into CnC cutting and 3D printing files for those of you who wish to go get your armor proffesionaly made for your hobby. Why is it when someone trys to do something good for the 405th if it's not with the norm it's automatically dubbed bad? If you want to make a complicated origimai plaster of paris version by all means do it that way. It takes a lot of skill to do it that way.

Now, I never said that what you're offering is bad. I'm sure that there are members who will appreciate you converting files for them so they can get armor made for them, absolutely no problems with that.

That's all I'm going to rant.

 

[BeanwaterFox]

Guys, like I said before, why don't we let Xavior or someone willing test out this method, and report back. Make a thread about it, see it maybe become widespread?

Possibly cheap, quality Halo armor for everyone at a standard price. That'd be great for the general public, though personally I think it'd be analogous to robots in car factories in that many people would be put "out of work" in exchange for the mass distribution of a commodity. People buy cars all the time made by machines, but there are still people who put in hard work and effort to build their own vehicle, and take so much more pride in that vehicle than someone who merely bought it. Hand-built vehicles just aren't recognized nearly as much nowadays because it's such a rare hobby, like us. Machine-built, mass distributed armor would definitely diminish the pride found in prop owning (not so special if everyone has it right?), and there isn't the same sense of satisfaction in purchasing something as opposed to making it yourself for sure.

So Xavior, if someday you get to test your theories or find someone who is like minded and will test them, Itemize: account for each thing, log the cost of each thing, and if it works, well then fantastic. Hostilities here are completely unnecessary. Everyone has differing opinions, and everyone spends different amounts on this hobby depending on raw skill, location, and how much you want to put in it. I won't pretend to know the facts about what yall are arguing about, but I do know that only a true experiment will determine the success of Xavior's process. Theoretical ideas are one thing, but actualities are another.

I'm dead certain that automobile builders/manufacturers had about this same discussion in the early 1900's that yall are. We'll just have to see what happens. No more blasting, no more complaining.

 

[Xavior217]

while it may have been true five or six years ago Yes, we all owe Adam a debt of gratitude for introducing us to the idea of creating Halo armor. Adam set things in motion, and it's grown bigger than even he could have imagined and taken on a life of its own.




Now, I never said that what you're offering is bad. I'm sure that there are members who will appreciate you converting files for them so they can get armor made for them, absolutely no problems with that.

That's all I'm going to rant.[/QUOTE]

You seem to claim to have done everything under the sun. I'm raising scuttlebutt flag on that. You just said what I said was true than you contradict what you just said in the next paragraph. Than you go to sum up what I just said and you agree in 1 sentence. CnC is cheapier and it looks more proffesional. To create the entire suit all you'd need to do is create molds for it. Pour liquid fiber and wait for it to sit, harden. Unscrew the wooden mold and take it out touch it up, put a face shield in it or touch it up with some paint and you got yourself a suit. This having to spend thousands of dollars on molds is absurd and a waste of funds and time. Why not just download a .STL mold file pour your resin and be done with it. This all you have to do is have a few blocks milled for the molds and you'd just have to drive on over to wal-mart or wherever you get your resign and pour. Easy. Or you can have the parts cut out in CnC. Why do things the hard way. Either way you're still going to do it the plaster of paris way or you're going to cut it out and have it made.

Molding = Plaster of paris (dosn't matter if you do it with pepakura or CnC) same concept and CnC is more accruate and you get better high def detail.

Making the part you claim you can make each part of the suit for 30 bucks. How strong is it? How durable is it? How long will it last? How easy is it to make?

These are some questions you should be asking. You claim Itchia's ways are ancient. As are your ways of doing it the hard way. Why not convert your methods to easier methods. .STL has more uses than .PDO or .OBJ. It'll teach people how to use a CnC machine. I didn't ask if you knew how to use it I stated it'll give these kids exp in a shop so they can learn a trade and possibly some money or learn how to start their own buisness by learning how to work a CnC. You can still use a CnC to make hobby things. I belive it's outlived it's course. You've avoided alot of my questions and points.

How cool would it be to make a master cheif suit out of actual metal?

How vauable do you think it'd be?

How much art could you put into it?

THink it'll be more vauable than a casted peice from pep?

How much easier and stress free is CnC than pepakura?

How much time does it take you to make a full suit in pep?

How much time would it take you to make one in CNC?

How proffesional does pep suits make?

Does it take skill?

What are the cost to make a full suit?

Lets ask those using CnC what are the results with CnC?

Old ways vs New ways. Both need to be accepted and used so in case one becomes more expensive than the other. But people over 10,000 on youtube has asked for these files. no one has stepped up to answer the call. I'm stepping up and you're giving me lip for helping why? You have a problem with me helping others shipmate? Or does your crows that you acheived in the fleet seem to add to your ego? Fair accessablity to files and methods need to be for all. So if people want to use old methods they can. If they wish to use CnC they'll have acces and the ablity to do so. You can litterly read the frustation in making suits. How many post has their been for sizing and help in the last 5 years? I can count easily over 50+ post. Gee that means cost might have gone down but people's understanding of a non user friendly system hasn't changed.

 

[Xavior217]

Guys, like I said before, why don't we let Xavior or someone willing test out this method, and report back. Make a thread about it, see it maybe become widespread?

Possibly cheap, quality Halo armor for everyone at a standard price. That'd be great for the general public, though personally I think it'd be analogous to robots in car factories in that many people would be put "out of work" in exchange for the mass distribution of a commodity. People buy cars all the time made by machines, but there are still people who put in hard work and effort to build their own vehicle, and take so much more pride in that vehicle than someone who merely bought it. Hand-built vehicles just aren't recognized nearly as much nowadays because it's such a rare hobby, like us. Machine-built, mass distributed armor would definitely diminish the pride found in prop owning (not so special if everyone has it right?), and there isn't the same sense of satisfaction in purchasing something as opposed to making it yourself for sure.

So Xavior, if someday you get to test your theories or find someone who is like minded and will test them, Itemize: account for each thing, log the cost of each thing, and if it works, well then fantastic. Hostilities here are completely unnecessary. Everyone has differing opinions, and everyone spends different amounts on this hobby depending on raw skill, location, and how much you want to put in it. I won't pretend to know the facts about what yall are arguing about, but I do know that only a true experiment will determine the success of Xavior's process. Theoretical ideas are one thing, but actualities are another.

I'm dead certain that automobile builders/manufacturers had about this same discussion in the early 1900's that yall are. We'll just have to see what happens. No more blasting, no more complaining.

If machine built would deminish the pride in owning one why does everyone want to own one? No one has made a suit out of metal yet. It cost to much. My way you can make it out of metal and make the accesablity to it and the reality of it phesable. I already have the NARETC Lambo blueprints and already know how to make a few exotic scratch built cars. Go to Dave at Lambobuilders.com and buy em for 1,500 dollars. You have to sign a agreement with a laywer that you won't resell them or make copys and distrubute them. You can make the chassis for all lambos with his plans. He's made it accessable to anyone who wants to build one. I'm making the accessablity of Steel, Aluminum or wood armor and even 3D printed Plastic UltraLight weight armor aviable to anyone who wants it.

The 405th armor moto is never recast and never buy or sell it. That means the only way's you have of making it is using the files offered by this site and learning the very complicated ways of making the armor. You can litterly read the frustration people have in making pepakura made halo armor. You can also read the ego's of people who are proffeicent in it act condosending to those who don't have the required expeirnce with it which causes about half the people to say the hell with it and give up. My way it gives even the noob the right to have elite style armor at little cost to him or her. Everyone should have a equal right to make armor as they see fit. Why should the mods be the only ones with access to elite ways of making armor? While the rest of us are drooling over it asking hey can we have the files and be rudly ignored. Uncool and unproffesional. Everyone should have a equal right to the files.

I will itemize it and log the cost. I've already converted almost all the weapons files into CnC (.STL) Format. I've said many times over and over and over again I cannot post the files on this site. I'd be more than happy to email the files to you if you will post them and not take credit for my work in converting them into (.STL) meaning add my name to the file as the contributor so I get recognition. All I'm asking. If people have access to it they'll test it out and I can get feed back. I've already given one person a .STL file of my version of the halo combat knife and he's already tuned it out on his CnC machine. he thinks it's pretty kick (Censored). I already know it works. Thing is I can't seem to get someone to give me the following.


I need the following:

Master cheif .OBJ files that are prescaled to fit someone who's 6 feet tall
Master cheif .obj files that are prescaled to fit someone who's 5 feet tall
master cheif .obj files that are prescaled to fit someone who is 4 feet tall
master cheif .obj files that are prescaled to fit someone who is 3 feet tall

I need the files in male and female. Girls don't have boobs until they're 15 and arn't 6 feet tall yet so 3-4 feet tall female models arn't needed for those.

If you could please email these in a zip file to regretfulflyer@aol.com I'll get right to work converting them so I can have the person who give me these files so I can send them back so they can be uploaded.

 

[Carpathia]

Nearly all the files you could want are here...

405th.4shared.com

We don't horde them, they're available to all. They are in PDO format, but can be exported from Pepakura as OBJs (if you have the key for Pepakura). Just make sure to at least try to get permission from the modelers of the files.

Scaling is going to be a bit tough though, since you'll have to re-scale each individual piece, and since these models were created by many different modelers, the scale factor is not the same on all of them.

 

[Xavior217]

Nearly all the files you could want are here...

405th.4shared.com

We don't horde them, they're available to all. They are in PDO format, but can be exported from Pepakura as OBJs (if you have the key for Pepakura). Just make sure to at least try to get permission from the modelers of the files.

Scaling is going to be a bit tough though, since you'll have to re-scale each individual piece, and since these models were created by many different modelers, the scale factor is not the same on all of them.

I already have all the files in .pdo I've converted some of them painstakingly from Google Sketch to .pdo, to .obj to .STL (CNC). I'm asking those who know how to prescale files to prescall them to what I asked for above so all I have to do is quickly go through them and convert them into .STL and I need someone to post them for me.

I already have the following in .STL

Halo ODST Tactical Shotgun
Halo ODST SMG
Halo MG6 Pistol
Halo Battle Rifle
Halo Assault Rifle
Halo Tactial Knife

What am I missing? Prescaled files of master cheif from halo 1, 2, 3, 4, odst, and reach see the sizes above in the size i need them in.

 

[Xavior217]

Nearly all the files you could want are here...

405th.4shared.com

We don't horde them, they're available to all. They are in PDO format, but can be exported from Pepakura as OBJs (if you have the key for Pepakura). Just make sure to at least try to get permission from the modelers of the files.

Scaling is going to be a bit tough though, since you'll have to re-scale each individual piece, and since these models were created by many different modelers, the scale factor is not the same on all of them.

It won't let me download the entire folder in 1 chunk. Sighs. Anyway I can have someone just create 6 folders for halo's 1, 2,3, 4, odst, and reach and just give me the pre sized .obj files please? So i can convert them to .STL (CnC cut ready)

 

[Carpathia]

That is a lot of work. I hope you can find someone or some way to do it. Good luck.

 

[Xavior217]

That is a lot of work. I hope you can find someone or some way to do it. Good luck.

If you know how to do it would you be up to do it? It'll formalize the sizes for people and for guys and gals. It'll end the frustration and cease the frustration which I see happens on this site. It'll also help me in making .STL files for each and every peice of the armor for every halo if you could do this. I've already did this with the Halo weapons. Right now I'm trying to find size right files in google sketch for the Alien weapons so I can convert them over into .pdo, .obj then .STL.

 

[Carpathia]

I'd have to go through each suit and figure out what size to make each individual piece for each different size you're asking for. This involves getting reliable reference photos for every suit and assuming a scale for each person height you're asking (which for a 6' person, the armor would have to be scaled so it comes out to more than 6', something like 6'-2", to account for material thickness, padding and adjustment size, and that would all be guesswork), then going through and actually sizing each piece individually, since no PDO file of the entire suit combined exists.

I'm very sorry, but it's just more work than I have the time to do. If you can go through and figure out what size each individual piece needs to be to suit your needs, I or somebody would gladly export them all at those sizes for you.

 

[Xavior217]

I'd have to go through each suit and figure out what size to make each individual piece for each different size you're asking for. This involves getting reliable reference photos for every suit and assuming a scale for each person height you're asking (which for a 6' person, the armor would have to be scaled so it comes out to more than 6', something like 6'-2", to account for material thickness, padding and adjustment size, and that would all be guesswork), then going through and actually sizing each piece individually, since no PDO file of the entire suit combined exists.

I'm very sorry, but it's just more work than I have the time to do. If you can go through and figure out what size each individual piece needs to be to suit your needs, I or somebody would gladly export them all at those sizes for you.

If you could please scale them to someone who's 6 foot and male please. Do I have to pick a serries of halo or could you do it with all the halo serries 1,2,3,4, odst and reach?

 

[L3X BLU3R1V3R]

Ive read through most of this thread and it seems that Carpathia has everything under control. I just wanted to say to Xavior, you need to start using the Edit Post button instead of having 2-3-4 posts in a row. There are currently 30 posts in the thread and you have almost half of them where multiple times there are more than one post in a row. I realize that its your thread, but just for future reference, double+ posting is frowned upon.

 

[Xavior217]

Ive read through most of this thread and it seems that Carpathia has everything under control. I just wanted to say to Xavior, you need to start using the Edit Post button instead of having 2-3-4 posts in a row. There are currently 30 posts in the thread and you have almost half of them where multiple times there are more than one post in a row. I realize that its your thread, but just for future reference, double+ posting is frowned upon.

I didn't double post I hit reply with quote so that way the person can't claim he or she didn't say that. Something that happens alot when people talk in forms. Each time I've said something it's been different. I just went back and checked 3 times. Wasn't aware I was limited the time I'm permitted to talk. And if you check each time I replied my replys are different each time. Nothing is out of control if you read the post like you claimed you did you would have read that I'm trying to make it so that halo armor, and weapon making is simplied. Would you be up for helping me obtain all the files from halo 1, 2, 3, 4, odst and reach for people who are six feet tall for guys and galls, samething for both guys and galls 5 feet tall and only for guys 4 feet and 3 feet tall for all these master cheif armors?

 

[Carpathia]

There is a multi-quote feature (the button to the right of the "reply with quote" button). Using that you can quote multiple posts in one post, rather than making double/triple/quadruple posts.

 

[Xavior217]

Just to clarify they're xbox 360 / bungies files not yours. You may have unfolded them or riped them from the game but they're not your copyright or your property. Legally it's xbox 360 / halo's files. I belie it would be bennifical if the mods / and admin sized and scaled the sizes for girls and boys from 3 feet tall to 6 feet tall. To prove a point you can see over 100+ blogs of people upset over sizing and scaling of their armor. What I am saying has validity and points. People say it's too much work. I say that's just an excuse. I've heard people say the 405th provides the hobbyist the files to create. I belive if you simplied the process in which to create armor people would be much happier. Also no one double posted dude. reading what the person said and what was quoted are two different things. I understand what you're saying you're asking me just to hit reply and not with quote. Noted.

 

[Xavior217]

There is a multi-quote feature (the button to the right of the "reply with quote" button). Using that you can quote multiple posts in one post, rather than making double/triple/quadruple posts.

You say this like I should know this. I'm what barely a month new. I'm learning as I go. Noted. I'll edit the points I wish to make out of the quotes. Is this a better compromise?

 

[Dracosfire83]

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[surfahbum808]

Just to clarify they're xbox 360 / bungies files not yours. You may have unfolded them or riped them from the game but they're not your copyright or your property. Legally it's xbox 360 / halo's files. I belie it would be bennifical if the mods / and admin sized and scaled the sizes for girls and boys from 3 feet tall to 6 feet tall. To prove a point you can see over 100+ blogs of people upset over sizing and scaling of their armor. What I am saying has validity and points. People say it's too much work. I say that's just an excuse. I've heard people say the 405th provides the hobbyist the files to create. I belive if you simplied the process in which to create armor people would be much happier. Also no one double posted dude. reading what the person said and what was quoted are two different things. I understand what you're saying you're asking me just to hit reply and not with quote. Noted.

I think you're still missing the whole point here again Xavior217. The modelers take time and effort to create these files for personal use. If you are planning on creating molds and casting new pieces from these files I believe that you should still be asking the modelers for permission. The reason being is that when you create a mold and cast new pieces you are able to create multiple pieces in a very timely fashion and most people given this ability would turn around and sell them to others leaving the person who created the file in the first place out of the loop. This is extremely prohibited here at the 405th and i'm sure you could get banned for doing so. I would advise you to check with all the modelers for the files you are using if it would be ok to create a mold to recast pieces. Regardless if you're not going to recast a piece, with the file as you are describing could give hundreds if not thousands of people the ability to do so. Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing this idea, it's a great one especially since I know the rigors of making a pepakura based suit and the frustrations that come with it. But for hobbyist like me who enjoy making props, this I believe would turn it into something that everybody has and make Halo based suits not as "special" anymore.

As for the modelers choosing not to release their files, it's completely up to them to do that and you shouldn't call it "unprofessional". They created the file, they took the time to convert a 3D image to a pep based file and they should have the right to choose whether or not they want to release it to the world to use. Like you said, you're new here to learn to respect some of the people that have been here for a while. You have a new idea and thats great! But your approach on promoting this new idea is all wrong. You need to be able to embrace the old ways and the new ones as well (such as your theory on making armor). Yeah scaling is an issue and people have a hard time with it but that's what makes the process so worth it in the end when you dawn your newly completed suit and look in the mirror seeing the pure awesomeness you created. I guess you haven't built your own suit so you wouldn't understand that feeling, but trust me when I say it feels amazing i'm not kidding (I'm sure anyone whose completed a suit can agree with me). If I were to just cast a suit from someone else file and just throw money at it instead of a little elbow grease it wouldn't feel as special. Just my two cents.

After reading this thread does anyone else get the feeling Xavior217 will end up getting himself banned?

Hmmm it all depends on how much further he decides to go with this...i get the feeling he's walking a fine line and with this idea especially since he doesn't believe he has to ask the modelers for permission could very well lead to him being banned.

 

[BeanwaterFox]

I had something to reply to Xavier but I'm typing that on my computer and I'm using my phone right now. But this calls for an emergency post: Xavier, I'd really like to see some of your ideas in action. I personally don't think you've handled this argument cordially, and I'd rather not see you banned. Let's cool it some and make like this forum was meant: a group of costumers that have nothing but advice and constructive criticism and encouragement instead of belligerence. If you just follow the rules and say sorry, everything will be fine. We're not trying to insult you, we're just pointing out that some of the ways we've been doing things is tedious and difficult, but not SO expensive that we can't work and be proud of what we make. I would love to see you test out your theories and made a thread about it, so just cool it okay?

 

[Xavior217]

Yeah scaling is an issue and people have a hard time with it but that's what makes the process so worth it in the end when you dawn your newly completed suit and look in the mirror seeing the pure awesomeness you created. I guess you haven't built your own suit so you wouldn't understand that feeling, but trust me when I say it feels amazing i'm not kidding (I'm sure anyone whose completed a suit can agree with me). If I were to just cast a suit from someone else file and just throw money at it instead of a little elbow grease it wouldn't feel as special. Just my two cents.



Hmmm it all depends on how much further he decides to go with this...i get the feeling he's walking a fine line and with this idea especially since he doesn't believe he has to ask the modelers for permission could very well lead to him being banned.[/QUOTE]

The weapon files I used I drew in Google Sketch and Converted them. I do not need permission to use my own files to convert them into molds for all to use. The files I've converted are my own and are weapon files. I do not have scaled master cheif armor for someone who's 6 foot from all the halos. Reason why I'm asking permission if you haven't read the implied question in all my post does anyone have scaled armor that they wouldn't mind me converting into .STL so I can create it into a mold file or just a CnC .STL cut file for the peice of armor. I've asked for permission in every single post for the armor. I haven't asked permission for the weapons because I drew them myself in sketch. I do not need to ask permission for my own files and work. The Mods saying that they own those files is almost backwards if you veiw it from a legal stand point. Legally they violated Bungies Copyright by ripping it from a game and tracing it and making it into papercraft for all to mass produce. What you're accusing me of is hypocritical to say the least. I'm saying the armor needs to be made scaled in .pdo so people can enjoy it without the frustration. Just like when you walk into wal-mart the sizes are in order so to better help the customer. Same concept. Just you're helping your fellow hobbyist by not angering them when trying to make something for themselves. To sum up your acusation I haven't taken anything from anyone without asking permission first. So you can cut that out.