Newest update on halo files from .PDO / .OBJ converted to .STL (CnC) cuttable weapons

[Seth Knight]

I agree with Liamthedevastator. I'm about to ask a mod to kill this thread if this argument lasts ANY LONGER. If you want to do this. DO IT. Xavior, you want to start a business, help people with their armor, you are going to have to prove (by pictures preferably) that you believe this is a good idea, and that you are willing to do this. ANY other post other than this that isn't helping this idea (this is what the 405th is about) DON"T POST OR I WILL REPORT TO MODS!

enough is ENOUGH

don't make me call the mods.

-Seth

 

[ViperB77]

Please stop Xavior.

 

[Xavior217]

I agree with Liamthedevastator. I'm about to ask a mod to kill this thread if this argument lasts ANY LONGER. If you want to do this. DO IT. Xavior, you want to start a business, help people with their armor, you are going to have to prove (by pictures preferably) that you believe this is a good idea, and that you are willing to do this. ANY other post other than this that isn't helping this idea (this is what the 405th is about) DON"T POST OR I WILL REPORT TO MODS!

enough is ENOUGH

don't make me call the mods.

-Seth

From my training in the military I don't give in to black mail or threats friend. Kindly keep it friendly kk. Go cry to what ever officer or commander you feel like you need to. Over 3/4's of those who've commented on this thread have supported me in saying that yes resizing needs to be done but it's too big of a job. I've stepped up and said I'll do it. Give me a sizing chart for how tall someone needs to be and I'll do it. The only two people who've given me lip time and time again is you viper and your friend new whales. IS there someting I missed? Is me trying to help out pissing you off somehow? I missed something what is your malfunction dude? Yeah I went there. What is your problem?!? How is me trying to add my spin on hobby crafting offensive? I didn't say not make pep make it to your hearts content I said this now being the 7th time I've said this. I'm saying I want to make my own spin on it and I'm whiling to share the files for all to use and enjoy. I know it's going ot take me 6,000 to invest in the hardware in two machines to achehive this. I really do not mind but you seem to. Wasn't aware I had to check in with you to spend my own money as I see fit now do I? So what is your boggle rikie recruit? I really want to know why are you leaning on me so hard. What is it that I seem to be doing that you seem to be giving me hard time. "Don't talk or i'm going to go tell"....By all means go cry to whoever you wish to go cry to for me offering to help to learn how to unfold standard files for those who wish 0 frustration in making armor. Why do I have to learn a peice of software to make cosplay armor many have asked. That is a valid question why should they when all they want is the armor to go to cons. Is that not what you use it for to show off and look cool for the entire crowd? The program is just to open and print armor very simple so why are you making this so complicated. Yeah a few want to learn it more than just making armor that's fine and they should be alloted that right but why are you not alloting me my right to want to make my version of master cheifs armor and 10,000 who have screamed for this for years!

To answer your question I can't post photos what part of that is complicated. I've posted links and photos and all people do is say all I see is a red x or the link is broken. Appreantly I haven't the promotion to show you guys updates or pictures of anything. From Vipers sceaming and hollirng I've humored him and made a youtube video as per his request. After which all he did was trash talk it and thumb it down. That's kinda unproffesional don't you think dude? What I do see is people falming and giving me flaq for trying to help those make a streamlined sizing process to help make the form a little bit user friendly. By saying or even suggsting this the trolls have came out of the wood work and tried to dub me a troll for trying to make it better in no way shape or form have I said CnC should take over for pep. I said both should be used. I've quoted over 10,000 people on youtube who have screamed for this method for many years only to be rudly ignored by the people who refuse to answer the call. Why should halo armor only be limited to fiberglass and paper? Are there other ways to make armor besides just fiberglass or paper? More like all I see is the people who feel threatend by me wanting to add a new method trying to shut me down for trying to help and add a variant to the concept. Seem to me if people don't post a photo for you to enjoy you start to rip on them. Perhaps your right click or add photo button is broken. I can't seem to add anything but w/e Shut it down or don't do whatever you feel like you need to do. Obviously volunterring to resize over 5,000 models from over 6 halo Era's is just too insulting and horrifying. but as I've said do whatever you seem to want to do. Enjoy

 

[Seth Knight]

Alright, send me the pictures you have: seth_montana@yahoo.com

I shouldn't have to break up a bunch of juveniles , but I will if I have to.

 

[rainbow dash]

Ok, I haven't read everything in this thread, because it's really hard to, mainly due to the lack of punctuation, passages and proper quotation.

It's mostly your use of words, strong language and the constant ignoring of forum rules (double posts) that diminishs your credibility.

Your idea is valid, in fact it's a great idea, but will you have the endurance sticking to this project for a very long time? We'll see. I'm interested in how this eventually turns out.

 

[Chriscamo]

I'm sorry,

but I find this argument to be a little confusing. Okay the concept of a mass directory could be cool.. But if I'm honest , Ive ruined 4 helmets, my cat uses my chest as a hide away and a chew toy till i chase him away, i get thrown out the house by my wife for the resin smell.. I love the hard word and , not to toot my own horn, dedication I'm putting into a hobby like this.

Xavior has some valid points but the stickys and pep files are all arranged quite well already and even give you ideas on sizing. and most things are easily found with great help from people on this forum.

So I'm also at a loss of how this thread has turned :/

My point is: surely don't ask for the items you need and details you want, the time you've taken writing essays you could have found these in the noob forum.

also , the legal issues stemming from most of this thread astounds me.

 

[Xavior217]

Ok, I haven't read everything in this thread, because it's really hard to, mainly due to the lack of punctuation, passages and proper quotation.

Your idea is valid, in fact it's a great idea, but will you have the endurance sticking to this project for a very long time? We'll see. I'm interested in how this eventually turns out.

If I start something I don't give up. Ever! Only thing that's stopping me is a sizing chart for helmet's, boots (every size from people 3 foot to 6 foot 5) Chest, etc.

(Where are we going to store them)

You guys seem to store crap on 4shared why not make a new thread that's stream lined. One for boots men. one for boots women and have folders that can be downloaded in 1 go. (Halo 1, halo 2, halo 3, halo 4, odst, and Reach). For those who don't want to download 4,000 files of boots scroll down and pick the file that says 7 1/2 mens.

 

[Chriscamo]

Xavior, this is a community more than a business. Surely the expectation is majorly outweighing the availability and time of the admin.

just build your own suit and enjoy the time doing it.

Also why worry about how its arranged.. everyone's been fine so far

 

[Dh748]

Xavior, One of the things I think you're missing here is the fact that these files can't all be presized to a certain height. An individual file may be presized to help with how it fits on paper (Ex 300mm-roughly 11 in, I think.) but people all have different proportions, I Have a a tall, slim build, short legs, long torso, lanky arms, wide shoulders. I Do not exactly have a "spartans" build. Or an even average one. If you sized a six foot file for me, I can tell you the legs would be too large (In my noob years I tried a certain scaling method that didn't work out) and arms too short. The files, as I'm sure you know, are isolated to each part, and as suck must be scaled individually. I've seen people do helmets at 250 to even 400 mm in height. To prescale each file, you'd have to hit upwards of 10 models FOR ONE HELMET, just to hit that range (if going by centimeters.) The project is admirable but The work, as well as the time and file size, are all extremely tedious things to do, considering there are hundreds of PDO files out there.


Oh and for anyone out there still trying to get to his photobucket, here it is: http://s1281.beta.photobucket.com/user/xavior217/library/
just 3d models, I still want to see actual fabricated pieces.

 

[Xavior217]

I'm sorry,

but I find this argument to be a little confusing. Okay the concept of a mass directory could be cool.. But if I'm honest , Ive ruined 4 helmets, my cat uses my chest as a hide away and a chew toy till i chase him away, i get thrown out the house by my wife for the resin smell.. I love the hard word and , not to toot my own horn, dedication I'm putting into a hobby like this.

Xavior has some valid points but the stickys and pep files are all arranged quite well already and even give you ideas on sizing. and most things are easily found with great help from people on this forum.

So I'm also at a loss of how this thread has turned :/

My point is: surely don't ask for the items you need and details you want, the time you've taken writing essays you could have found these in the noob forum.

also , the legal issues stemming from most of this thread astounds me.

I've tried your guys' serach engine frankly it sucks to be nice about it. Type in what am I looking for........Please type in the Catcha........You didn't type it in right AEo98A1. you can call over 3 friends and they all said you typed it in right and it still dosn't do jack. Google has a better serach engine. There are so many forms of how you should do it or give advise. There are over 98,000 forms that offer advise on modeling help. That's absurd and just plain wrong. You call that good. okay we're on the same page but not the same pargraph.

There needs to be one sticky for files for sizing have it a chart or by directory, boot, chest, w/e. This is not the best solution you know you could make it alot more user friendly. You just admitted that it's valid. Why should I care about smelling to high heaven of toxic fiberglass. Yeah you're a reall man you're putting in the effort for making it the hard way. I'm happy for you that you like doing it the old fashioned way. I'm not. Many have quit because no one is whilling to adopt a new method. I volutneered ona youtube blog on yotube to step foward and assess what needs to be done so that they'll return. I've already invested 3 years into reserach the problem in what two tools I should use in making the new CnC method, cost, and etc. Adam spent over 10,000 making the first stuit and caught as much flaq and I'm cathing. Point is there needs to be a better way of making armor. Wood isn't toxic. Fiberglass is. Many feel insulted by my new method unsure as to why it's the same method seamstress, car makers, and old school BlackSmiths do their hobbys. It's the same way the military does it why not do it here? Paper and fiberglass. >__> How much does it cost to maintain that peice of armor? How durable is it? How easy is it to make a new one? How much effort does it take? Time?

My aspect or my twist you hardly spend any time, or effort. It just cost a little for the mats and you have your self a peice of armor. Yeah I know there are some die hard people in cons who complain about the new kids on the block not doing it the old way. *Guilty* But I want it to look proffesional. I want it to look good. I need it to be durable and to last with minimal maintance cost. The russians don't need to tune a Ak-47 if the bolt is rusted closed. They just kick the bolt open run a rag over it reput it back together and it fires. They don't bother to clean it. Same concept but different aspect. Why should you need to waste money on upkeep, remaking because your cat chewed it up? I"m not saying by any means CnC is better just saying that from when I look at master cheif or halo. IN the game the people have weapons made of steel and other metals. They're not made out of material that you would find in a car. I want something that is metal. How do I get that? Well I have to have it cut in a mill or lathe. How do I get the files since no one wants to share and suffer from single kid (MINE) syndrome I had to draw my own and draw I did. Kewl I have my own files. I converted them and have printed them in CnC. I can run over my AR with my F150 truck and it won't bend or break. People sit on their helmets to show it's durablity I ran over mine with a 2 ton velchile. There needs to be a better way of doing things. You're offended that it's push button and you spend 0 time. WRONG. I spent over 3 years reseraching it and drawing it from scratch and almost spent 6,000 dollars on this method. Adam spent 10,000 on his method by scultping from clay and the hard process of trying to get it from video into files that people can use. I've done what he did but with less waste. I took what you guys did learned from it and made it better in my own opinon. You might disagree but to each their own. Pep can look good if you have the exp. My way you don't need to be a master model maker to get craftsmanship every time. Why should you be frustrated or upset with what you made. If you make something people should want to know whre you got it and how can I get one. It's what they do with the mods and admins. Why should you be any different? Everyone should have equal right to the files regardless if they're .pdo, obj or .STL.

 

[Chriscamo]

Xavior.

Good pep files redone by Polythemus

Non toxic way of doing resin is Jesmonite (aqua resin if your american)

everything has a simpler way , and the forums explain it all.

As for the search engine, i was confused on the first try but figured it out now its second nature.

this quote was off
'How much does it cost to maintain that peice of armor? How durable is it? How easy is it to make a new one? How much effort does it take? Time? '

every aspect of these questions is different to every person, their skill set, their time, their money. so can't be written down.

'The russians don't need to tune a Ak-47 if the bolt is rusted closed'

irrelevant statement to building armour, one is done for a hobby, one has billions put into the test, theory and manufacture.

I'm finding a lot of your statements and essays to just be irrelevant to the fact that 'If it aint broke, don't fix it'

 

[Xavior217]

Xavior, this is a community more than a business. Surely the expectation is majorly outweighing the availability and time of the admin.

just build your own suit and enjoy the time doing it.

Also why worry about how its arranged.. everyone's been fine so far

Why should you be worried about just yourself. You're a unit are you not. Do you not call yourself the 405th infantry division? Why do you use a military term if you have not the understanding in which it means? Prior navy and I have the honor, courage and commitment to help my shipmates. Even those that I do not respect them but I respect the chevrons that they wear. Same concept. I know some people are doing "Just fine". There are at least 10,000 people who want to make armor or cosplay out of Metal. Pepakura has been used to make gundam armor and other genre's of cosplay thats good. People borrowed form the 405th as has hollywood and I commend you for that. But why can't you make the real thing? Master cheif wears metal armor. Not plastic. He holds a gun made out of steel not a plastic toy. I want to hold something that's made out of metal. I want not only to make it. But I want to share how I did it to who ever wants and desires the same thing. Who here wants to make armor out of metal? Wouldn't it be kewl if you could walk into a con and be all 1 shinny or painted up how you want? Iorn man how many times have I seen over 12 different concepts of fiberglass iornman. You know you could easily make a suit for about 2,000 dollars right? Out of metal. yeah very easily in CnC. I'm not trying to make a buisness or anything I'm trying to make it better than what I see as a flaw in my opinon. I've built pepakura and made some pretty neat and unique models out of it. I'm unpressed with the phsyical strength, dextarity it holds or the ablity to with hold months of not being held or touched and not cracking and falling aprart. I don't want to go to a store and buy toxic chemicals to make cosplay. I find it a serrious saftey issue. Why should I have to buy saftey chemical gear to make any cosplay? I really shouldn't have to. Than I need to find a new method and technique to compesnate for this. If I do it others will want it. Did I like it when the mods or others alienated me when I wanted the files? Well no I didn't I thought it was very rude of them when I was ignored. It'd be hypocritical if I just made a solid suit of metal armor and go TA-DA here lookie metal armor all metal see I built it myself don't you like it. Kinda selfish if you ask me. We're a unit and a unit sticks together. If I am entitled to metal armor so are you if you so desire.

 

[Seth Knight]

Seriously, we need to talk Xavior, pm me and lets sort this thing out.

 

[Chriscamo]

why would people want a metal suit?

its cosplay, not the movies, even the army wouldnt do that.

I do have prior military experience and my grandfather is a general, he would think the idea, preposterous. as I'm seeing you haven't done a lot of homework really, just jumped in at the deep end. some of us have spent a long time getting prepared. I enjoy what i do , how its done and the help i get.

and we do all help eachother and ourselves , like a unit.

Also as a multi national site , the ideal of having military grade metal suits is illegal in some areas so whats the point. last time it happened in England , people went nuts and robbed a bank. you're not even allowed metal replica guns of any sort as its a safety issue.

I really don't think a lot of these issues have been looked over

 

[Xavior217]

Xavior.

Good pep files redone by Polythemus

Non toxic way of doing resin is Jesmonite (aqua resin if your american)

everything has a simpler way , and the forums explain it all.

As for the search engine, i was confused on the first try but figured it out now its second nature.

this quote was off
'How much does it cost to maintain that peice of armor? How durable is it? How easy is it to make a new one? How much effort does it take? Time? '

every aspect of these questions is different to every person, their skill set, their time, their money. so can't be written down.

'The russians don't need to tune a Ak-47 if the bolt is rusted closed'

irrelevant statement to building armour, one is done for a hobby, one has billions put into the test, theory and manufacture.

I'm finding a lot of your statements and essays to just be irrelevant to the fact that 'If it aint broke, don't fix it'

Not illrevant very relevant. If I leave a peice of fiberglass armor unkept how long will it start to deteriate? How strong is it? Can I run it over with a car? What about a truck? Can I do that with fiberglass or pepakura? It's paper so it'd go smush so no I can't do it with that. It needs to be more durable, better, easyier to make, less of a hassle to make, less frustating to operate the software. I can find over 98,000 blogs where people talk about reszing help. That's a lot. There should be only 1 not 98k. That's unsat and not very effeicnet if you ask me. It should be streamlined like our uniforms in the navy. A one stop shop. Go to the uniform section isle and pick what you need pay for it and leave.

Paying for it is illegal here. Everything must be made aviable for all. There are kids and people just starting and wish to learn so to charge is unfair and I agree with this concept. I find alot of things that are broken here. Where is the size chart to know how to size in any of the 98,000 blogs? I see none. I see a very complicated explantion which should be made easier to read. Lets use a mutiplication talbe for a good example

1/2/3/4/5
2/4/6/8/10

it's very easy to read. it's very easy to follow and it's streamlined. If you where to do this with the uniforms and cosplay there would be 0 frustration. If it dosn't fit right add a small note at the bottom watch this video and follow directions. As we say in the military everything should be stupid proof.

 

[Dh748]

Not illrevant very relevant. If I leave a peice of fiberglass armor unkept how long will it start to deteriate? How strong is it? Can I run it over with a car? What about a truck? Can I do that with fiberglass or pepakura? It's paper so it'd go smush so no I can't do it with that. It needs to be more durable, better, easyier to make....

I would Like to point out that these suits are completely cosmetic, costumes, when you buy a halloween costume do you expect it to last years? Why in the world does it need to be able to withstand the weight of a car, or truck? And as a matter of fact, a Pepakura helmet with ONE layer of fiberglass, held my weight (150 lbs) with no damage to it, whatsoever. It doesn't NEED to be anymore durable than it already is, better? sure. Easier? that depends solely on how you do it. Metal suits are fairly heavy, the suits we do now can be hot as it is, the practicality of a metal suit to a con is next to nothing.

As far as sizing, its literally as easy as measure and multiply. I'll give the base for it. just for example lets say you're making a forearm piece. Measure the length of your forearm, from where you want the piece to fit. (lets say that measurement came out to 9 inches, multiply that by 25.4 and input it into the pep program, probably the length dimension eh?

 

[Chriscamo]

Xavior, Most of your questions can be answered in the forums , easily accessible and available to all.

like i said, try aqua resin, its not toxic.

'Can I run it over with a car? What about a truck? ' - I don't know why you'd want to, but surprisingly there is a video on youtube about it.

and stupid proof , god, no offence Xavior, but this isn't some stark industry campaign going on is it?

 

[Seth Knight]

Xavior, you are missing one thing about cosplaying in general, and don't take offense at this, most cosplayers are artists, artists who wish to create something personal to them. Wide distrubution could be a very good thing for the interest, but you will need more than yourself to do this. Keep that in mind.

 

[Xavior217]

Xavior, One of the things I think you're missing here is the fact that these files can't all be presized to a certain height. An individual file may be presized to help with how it fits on paper (Ex 300mm-roughly 11 in, I think.) but people all have different proportions, I Have a a tall, slim build, short legs, long torso, lanky arms, wide shoulders. I Do not exactly have a "spartans" build. Or an even average one. If you sized a six foot file for me, I can tell you the legs would be too large (In my noob years I tried a certain scaling method that didn't work out) and arms too short. The files, as I'm sure you know, are isolated to each part, and as suck must be scaled individually. I've seen people do helmets at 250 to even 400 mm in height. To prescale each file, you'd have to hit upwards of 10 models FOR ONE HELMET, just to hit that range (if going by centimeters.) The project is admirable but The work, as well as the time and file size, are all extremely tedious things to do, considering there are hundreds of PDO files out there.


Oh and for anyone out there still trying to get to his photobucket, here it is: http://s1281.beta.photobucket.com/user/xavior217/library/
just 3d models, I still want to see actual fabricated pieces.

Want to bet? Nike has every type of foot size presized with a shoe. Wal-mart has your size t-shirt just for you. They use this concept so can we. We just won't charge our members to use the sizes and for the files. Why should there be more than 1 size blog about armor? Why does it take me like an hour to track down the entire files from 1 halo era? That's convient? What am I missing? There needs to be some uniformitiy. For one there are standard heights for people. Short men are 4 feet tall at the max. Tall they're about 6 foot or above. Women normally around 4 foot to 6 foot depending on your family genes. Why is it so hard to download all the files for halo reach in 1 go? You find this guy here on 4shared has the helmet. This guy on mediafile has the chest. This guy on some werid site has the legs and everything else. Um not kewl. This is the 405th.com is it not? Why can't this be a 1 stop shop? (Shop not as in buying but as in I come I get what I need I leave)? Why do I have to go to Halo wiki to get the files? 4shared? Halo wiki's links don't work and the files for many of the files have been removed. The 4shared files some of them have virus's. This site has a anti virus system and is safe. Why not store them here. Why not make a size chart. Peopel say it can be done but it's alot of work. Anything ever worth doing was never easy. If it was easy no one would do it.

Xavior, you are missing one thing about cosplaying in general, and don't take offense at this, most cosplayers are artists, artists who wish to create something personal to them. Wide distrubution could be a very good thing for the interest, but you will need more than yourself to do this. Keep that in mind.

My way you can still add art. You can even print the mold if you want to my way easily and with less hassle. No doing complicated math with A liquid and B liquid. I don't have to degass this or wait 18 hours for it to harden. As soon as it's cut I can touch it and wear it. Hot off the press. I can customize it with a engraver or a hand held drimel tool. I can cut art and designs into it. I can paint it or etch my name into it or personalize the helmet.
Your way there is still art and you can do what I said but it take more time, more effort and it takes 500% more skill which many of us do not have nor are they're any people whilling to teach if there are they don't speak the language. if you size the files in a chart the person is still downloading it like they normally would. Still printing it the same way. Only different they do not have to size it. It's to their exact scale. That's mighty thoughtful isn't it?

 

[Dh748]

Want to bet? Nike has every type of foot size presized with a shoe. Wal-mart has your size t-shirt just for you. They use this concept so can we. We just won't charge our members to use the sizes and for the files. Why should there be more than 1 size blog about armor? Why does it take me like an hour to track down the entire files from 1 halo era? That's convient? What am I missing? There needs to be some uniformitiy. For one there are standard heights for people. Short men are 4 feet tall at the max. Tall they're about 6 foot or above. Women normally around 4 foot to 6 foot depending on your family genes. Why is it so hard to download all the files for halo reach in 1 go? You find this guy here on 4shared has the helmet. This guy on mediafile has the chest. This guy on some werid site has the legs and everything else. Um not kewl. This is the 405th.com is it not? Why can't this be a 1 stop shop? (Shop not as in buying but as in I come I get what I need I leave)? Why do I have to go to Halo wiki to get the files? 4shared? Halo wiki's links don't work and the files for many of the files have been removed. The 4shared files some of them have virus's. This site has a anti virus system and is safe. Why not store them here. Why not make a size chart. Peopel say it can be done but it's alot of work. Anything ever worth doing was never easy. If it was easy no one would do it.

You miss what i'm saying, I never said anything along the lines of it isn't possible, I said Its going to take a crazy amount of effort and time to do. Reason being is that my arms are my arms, my arms are not seth's arms. The pieces have to be scaled accordingly, and there are many different arms out there. some might be the same length, but fatter than others, for which you have to scale it to fit that person. Doing it like that you'd have to make upwards of at least 5 files for one file. One fore arm scaled for 9 inches, 9.5, 10, etc. more if you go by the more accurate cm/mm.