"a Day That Will Live In Infamy"

[Razgriz]

a little off topic but, you cant realy be shamed of someone whos under 11 because they dont know a metaphor for a war day is. god realy i've heard like 5 teachers getting pissed at students because they either didnt kno or didnt care. i dont even know about it. sure it was a bad day but does that realy give you an right to be ashamed of som1 for not knowing!?

It's not a metaphor about a "war day", it's a quote by Franklin D. Roosevelt regarding the day when, "The United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.". Because of that day and that attack that the United States entered the largest war in history (on scale). It's a very important day. The quote is one of the most famous quotes of the 20th century, especially for Americans. It is sad how even adults don't realize what day it is.

Also, "bad" does not begin to describe that day. Hell and terrifying better describe that morning.

 

[Fragclone]

damnit. touche. seems you guys get me everytime

 

[Thundertotum]

what a lot of people don't realize when they look back at that day is it could have been a lot worse. If the Japanese had just waited they could have taken out 75% of our Pacific Fleet all in one day. As it was they took out 45% of our Pacific Fleet that day. the USS Enterprise barely missed being destroyed but it survived and was able to help out at the battle for Mid-Way but then again had to limp back to the base at Pearl Harbor to be repaired.




As for people not knowing what is important for us to know it isn't any one groups fault. We can't blame Teachers, students, parents, or even the Government for people not knowing what has happend to us in the past. It is the lack of Morals, Honor, Sense of Duty, and other factors that has rotted America. I think JFK said it best when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

With this I leave to ask your self this one question "What are you going to do for America?"

now im getting my college student, History Education studying but off of this soap box and finish reading other threads.

 

[Razgriz]

what a lot of people don't realize when they look back at that day is it could have been a lot worse. If the Japanese had just waited they could have taken out 75% of our Pacific Fleet all in one day. As it was they took out 45% of our Pacific Fleet that day. the USS Enterprise barely missed being destroyed but it survived and was able to help out at the battle for Mid-Way but then again had to limp back to the base at Pearl Harbor to be repaired.




As for people not knowing what is important for us to know it isn't any one groups fault. We can't blame Teachers, students, parents, or even the Government for people not knowing what has happend to us in the past. It is the lack of Morals, Honor, Sense of Duty, and other factors that has rotted America. I think JFK said it best when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

With this I leave to ask your self this one question "What are you going to do for America?"

now im getting my college student, History Education studying but off of this soap box and finish reading other threads.

Very true, it could have been a lot worse. One scenario would be if they hit the fuel depots. That would have been devestating.

But, as history tells us the Big E avoided the attack on Pearl and went on to whoop-butt throughout the rest of the war in the Pacific. She was the only carrier to be there from the start, to Midway (Yes, one word ), to the end. If they WOULD have gotten her, things would have been much different.

 

[23Magnum]

For everyone saying it's shameful not to remember,

When was the Oklahoma City Bombing?
When was TWA Flight 800?
Beside those in PA, when was the Johnstown Flood?

I could go on, but the point is remembering the exact day is irrelevant to remembering the actual event and what it meant to the people directly or indirectly effected by it.

Where were you when the news of the Oklahoma Bombing shocked the US?
Don't remember?
[sarcasm]Oh, what a tragedy. I'm so appalled.[/sarcasm]

Of course these events and many others pale in comparison to the thousands lost in Pearl Harbor or any other major battle in US history, but they still made this country pause. People listened and watched to see what exactly happened.

People don't know their history? Inform them. Quit looking down on people like you're something better. This country was founded on equality. Though that means very little these days in the big picture, but you can still hold true to it between the few people you encounter through your lives.

You want to do something for this country, good. Can't or don't want to serve? It's ok, that's NOT the only way to aide this country. Inform people of our history and don't belittle others for their lack of knowledge. Raise good families and instill values in those that look up to you, family and stranger alike. Quit being pessimistic, self loathing whiners.

Both my grandfathers served and I'm proud of that fact. I got to hear some horror stories from my grandpa who was a field medic in WWII. How disagreements between superiors turned to duels and other things you won't see on the History Channel.

I didn't get to hear much from my other grandfather, and besides he never talked much about it. As of this past Sunday, I won't get anymore chances either.

 

[Razgriz]

For everyone saying it's shameful not to remember,

When was the Oklahoma City Bombing?
When was TWA Flight 800?
Beside those in PA, when was the Johnstown Flood?

I could go on, but the point is remembering the exact day is irrelevant to remembering the actual event and what it meant to the people directly or indirectly effected by it.

Where were you when the news of the Oklahoma Bombing shocked the US?
Don't remember?
[sarcasm]Oh, what a tragedy. I'm so appalled.[/sarcasm]

Of course these events and many others pale in comparison to the thousands lost in Pearl Harbor or any other major battle in US history, but they still made this country pause. People listened and watched to see what exactly happened.

People don't know their history? Inform them. Quit looking down on people like you're something better. This country was founded on equality. Though that means very little these days in the big picture, but you can still hold true to it between the few people you encounter through your lives.

You want to do something for this country, good. Can't or don't want to serve? It's ok, that's NOT the only way to aide this country. Inform people of our history and don't belittle others for their lack of knowledge. Raise good families and instill values in those that look up to you, family and stranger alike. Quit being pessimistic, self loathing whiners.

Both my grandfathers served and I'm proud of that fact. I got to hear some horror stories from my grandpa who was a field medic in WWII. How disagreements between superiors turned to duels and other things you won't see on the History Channel.

I didn't get to hear much from my other grandfather, and besides he never talked much about it. As of this past Sunday, I won't get anymore chances either.

I understand where you're coming from, and believe me when I say I try to inform and teach people about our past. Some people will listen, others could care less.

If I understand that last line correctly, I'm sorry for your loss.

I do believe this topic has served its purpose however. I wouldn't mind if a mod locked it.

 

[23Magnum]

I understand where you're coming from, and believe me when I say I try to inform and teach people about our past. Some people will listen, others could care less.

If I understand that last line correctly, I'm sorry for your loss.

Unfortunately, you are correct. Some do not care. Seeing it as their loss and moving on is all you can do at that point. Their ignorance will catch up with them eventually.

Thank you for your condolences.

I'll leave this thread open as long as it stays on the topic of remembrance only.

 

[Vexona]

Ah, I forgot to mention Mighty Mo in my list of reasons to visit Hawaii!

Wow, your grandfather was aboard an escort carrier? Very cool, I'd love to just sit down in a room full of vets and talk with them all.
I know what you're talking about when you mention the magnitude of all of those warships, including the Arizona. It's amazing.

Mighty Mo is amazing! It's weird though...because for as big as it looks, the inside is as cramped as can be. I'm pretty short at 5'6 and I got claustrophobic! I can't imagine living in one of those out at sea. It was like an oven in there too. I remember we were in uniform when we visited and all the Japanese school kids were making fun of us cause we were sweating like crazy.

Yeah it's a rare opportunity to get to talk to WWII vets. My grandfather passed away in 1999 and the surviving soldiers are getting very late in their years.

Pop pop saved all the documents and pictures from when he was on the Windham Bay. I remember when I was 15 or 16 we were sitting there in his living room looking through some of the things. One item we found was this navy 'brotherhood' pamplet. I think it was an equivalent to an enlisted men's fraternity or something. I remember it had a picture of Poseidon on the front with a bunch of nekkid mermaids hehe. It was pretty scandelous but funny . Reminds me of the old school tattoos from back in the day.

I need to find the box with all that stuff in it!


Edit: And as far as kids not remembering the day, I think that's more of a failing of their history teacher. It's good to know the significance of important US event and quotes. I wouldn't be angry if someone didn't know what Dec. 7th was though. It's important to some more than others, and that's fine.

 

[Reventorghini]

"Shameful" topic is over.

I'll leave this thread open as long as it stays on the topic of remembrance only.