Newest update on halo files from .PDO / .OBJ converted to .STL (CnC) cuttable weapons

[Xavior217]

I had something to reply to Xavier but I'm typing that on my computer and I'm using my phone right now. But this calls for an emergency post: Xavier, I'd really like to see some of your ideas in action. I personally don't think you've handled this argument cordially, and I'd rather not see you banned. Let's cool it some and make like this forum was meant: a group of costumers that have nothing but advice and constructive criticism and encouragement instead of belligerence. If you just follow the rules and say sorry, everything will be fine. We're not trying to insult you, we're just pointing out that some of the ways we've been doing things is tedious and difficult, but not SO expensive that we can't work and be proud of what we make. I would love to see you test out your theories and made a thread about it, so just cool it okay?

I'm not insulting anyone. I'm trying to throw out some new ideas so people can enjoy it. Before I joined I read the forms about 500 pages worth page by page and word for word. I've read over 50 blogs that talked about complete frustation of scaling problems. I belive if there was a main post by the admins for scale and the era of halo armor you want, the type of armor you want with the same scale it would be bennifical for all.

I also belive I haven't done anything wrong. I've followed the rules and am asking people who rip this stuff if they wouldn't mind sizing the armor for both guys and gals in obj and give me the permission to convert it to .STL. So that way people have a choice between old school and new school. The weapon files I used are my own.

 

[Carpathia]

You're in no danger of being banned. You haven't purposefully insulted or attacked anyone. The only thing I see is the double/triple posting, but that hardly warrants a ban.

 

[Xavior217]

If you think about it tyncially pepakura is recasing. You're copying a artist work from a video game in real life. The person who ripped the file is tracing that artist's work and then convert it to .pdo. No I'm not trying to start a fight here I'm just thinking out loud. Am I allowed to make public my own .stl files which i drew from google sketch and coverted to pep into mold files or CnC files for all to enjoy? Is that against the rules? The weapon files I drew are my own art. I didn't trace anything riped from a game. I stared at a reference but I used my own artistic ablity to create them. I want to share is that wrong?

Why is the concept of making a universal blog the are scaled to peoples sizes a bad thing? Why are we arguing about this? I can't help but think why wasn't this done long ago when over hundreds of post have been made about scaling frustration to put an end to the frustration? Why can't there be a list like for example:

Halo 1: Select Size: click and scroll up or down for size then your page reloads to a scaled master cheif or what ever file that is your size and for your sex (male or female). All the files on that page and have it locked.

Halo 2: Repeat above.

That would be an awsome idea. yes?

Those could be in .pdo and .obj

A third link could be my converted files into .STL for the people who ripped and unfolded it gave permission for it to be converted. It would be scaled acccordingly like the examples above. So everyone could be happy. Old school and new school together. You could create Master Cheif armor in metal for once. That would be sooo kewl.

 

[Carpathia]

Not everyone rips files from the game to create pep files. Most of the pep files were created by talented 3D modelers who use nothing but a few reference pictures to create a raw 3D model (some good some bad). The only thing that is being copied is the general appearance of the piece.

Regarding the sizing thread you're proposing, many do think it's a good idea, and similar proposals have been made in the past. The only thing that halts it from progressing is the amount of work that must be put into it. It's just too much work for most. If you've got the time and the drive, I say go for it.

 

[Xavior217]

Not everyone rips files from the game to create pep files. Most of the pep files were created by talented 3D modelers who use nothing but a few reference pictures to create a raw 3D model (some good some bad). The only thing that is being copied is the general appearance of the piece.

Regarding the sizing thread you're proposing, many do think it's a good idea, and similar proposals have been made in the past. The only thing that halts it from progressing is the amount of work that must be put into it. It's just too much work for most. If you've got the time and the drive, I say go for it.

That's a lie. Flying Squirl and 6 others ripped it from halo the video game and copied the files in Google Sketch and coverted them. Flying Squirl made a youtube vid about it you can still find it on youtube. I know because I've seen it. I've got the time to convert every file if someone can size them properly and put them in a folder that says halo 1, 2, 3, 4 , odst, and reach. I do not mind converting them if given permission. I do not know how to size and would require a youtube vid to cover it in depth. Like for example I would need you if you wouldn't mind making a vid showing how big the file was and how big a person would have to be for arms, legs, head, chest, etc. I wouldn't mind but in trade I would need someone to first let me have access to the halo files sized for someone 6 feet tall for halo 1,2,3,4,odst and reach. I could cram that out in a few months by the end of Feb 2013 at the most if someone would take the time to educate me via youtube vid.

 

[Carpathia]

That's a lie.

Don't go calling me a liar when I've seen many members creating 3D models with the method I described. You've reached a line with that sentence. Be careful how you word your posts.

 

[Xavior217]

Don't go calling me a liar when I've seen many members creating 3D models with the method I described. You've reached a line with that sentence. Be careful how you word your posts.

Dude I've seen it on youtube. Flying squirl uploaded a video around 2007 of him ripping files from halo and uploading them into a program and tracing the desgin.

 

[DYSTORTED INC]

Are you saying that all the files around here are nothing more than ripped straight from the game?! WTH! If that's the case, then count me out, I'm done with Halo and costuming entirely for that matter!

 

[Carpathia]

Yes, there are people who get their files from rips, then edit the rips. But there are quite a few who don't. Those who do not are the modelers I was talking about. Don't assume that everyone does it because you've seen a few youtube videos.

Regardless, let's just drop it so you can get back on topic.

 

[Xavior217]

Yes, there are people who get their files from rips, then edit the rips. But there are quite a few who don't. Those who do not are the modelers I was talking about. Don't assume that everyone does it because you've seen a few youtube videos.

Regardless, let's just drop it so you can get back on topic.

I have no problem with how they got the files. I have a prolem with them calling me names or acusing me of trying to steal their work when halo is bungies copyright to begin with. The reason they allow us to do this is if they need help for a movie they know who's door to come pounding on and say come help. I want and would very much like with your blessing and all the mods and admins to permit me to obtain the files or assign someone to me to help me scale a entire halo serries. I can convert the files into .STL format. Look at my photobucket xavior217. I made my own rubberband gun from scratch. I used devil may cry concept and free hand drew my own concept in google sketch and converted it. You can build it all the peices are there and can be milled in a CnC machine and you can run around shooting each other with rubber bands. It works I've tested my theory it works. I need someone who will help me finnish this so the frustration with making armor ends. Sized in .pdo to assigned sizes. for example

Welcome to autosize please select what sex you are. Male / Female

Thank you.

Please select what era of halo you wish to start with?
Halo1, 2,3,4, Reach, ODST?

Thank you for your selection

what are you trying to make Master Cheif, ODST, Security, Marine, ETC,

Thank you

what peice of the armor do you need? Helmet, cod, chest? ETC.

Thank you.

What size do you require. (Sizes Listed)

This would be an end all to the frustration.

You could have do you require this in .PDO or .STL

Thank you and please wait while your page loads.
have it load and have a link to 4shared or on the site to download now.

Or you could have a auto chart. Halo 1, peice of armor, sizes but hyperlinked to take you to 4shared to download the size you require.

There are many ways we can accomplish this why not do it?

 

[DYSTORTED INC]

The main thing i see is, it would take a while to clean up all of the files ripped from the game engine. Your talking about 6 or 7 games if you include Halo Wars, and not to mention each variant. I'm not knocking your idea, I LOVE IT! Its just a really big time eating MONSTER. I find its easier for me to start a brand new file from scratch, rather than try to clean up a low poly model, add detail, fix proportion problems, etc. Just my 2 cents. Good Luck though, its a good idea.

 

[surfahbum808]

I have no problem with how they got the files. I have a prolem with them calling me names or acusing me of trying to steal their work when halo is bungies copyright to begin with. The reason they allow us to do this is if they need help for a movie they know who's door to come pounding on and say come help. I want and would very much like with your blessing and all the mods and admins to permit me to obtain the files or assign someone to me to help me scale a entire halo serries. I can convert the files into .STL format. Look at my photobucket xavior217. I made my own rubberband gun from scratch. I used devil may cry concept and free hand drew my own concept in google sketch and converted it. You can build it all the peices are there and can be milled in a CnC machine and you can run around shooting each other with rubber bands. It works I've tested my theory it works. I need someone who will help me finnish this so the frustration with making armor ends. Sized in .pdo to assigned sizes. for example

Welcome to autosize please select what sex you are. Male / Female

Thank you.

Please select what era of halo you wish to start with?
Halo1, 2,3,4, Reach, ODST?

Thank you for your selection

what are you trying to make Master Cheif, ODST, Security, Marine, ETC,

Thank you

what peice of the armor do you need? Helmet, cod, chest? ETC.

Thank you.

What size do you require. (Sizes Listed)

This would be an end all to the frustration.

You could have do you require this in .PDO or .STL

Thank you and please wait while your page loads.
have it load and have a link to 4shared or on the site to download now.

Or you could have a auto chart. Halo 1, peice of armor, sizes but hyperlinked to take you to 4shared to download the size you require.

There are many ways we can accomplish this why not do it?

This does sound like an exellent idea but the thing like Carpathiavh99 said its going to be A LOT of work...To scale something exactly proportionate to each individual means editing files to meet those exact proportions. It would be much easier if everyone just read a thread on how to scale, which is what a lot of people skip over when first starting out (I myself was one). After reading the scaling thread in the Creation Discussion by HaloGoddess the scaling problems were a thing of the past. Granted everything may not fit exactly to your body as the modelers do tend to model the piece after their own body shape or that of the actual game characters. Scaling isn't that hard and most of the threads you see asking for help are people that have done absolutely no research on armor building and have not bothered to even try read up on scaling methods. However I do agree that this "autosize" idea has potential.

I don't agree with you saying "calling me names or acusing me of trying to steal their work when halo is bungies copyright to begin with." No one here as far as I know has called you names and if the modeler has created the piece from only reference pictures I believe that they do own rights to their work (this doesn't apply to the people that "rip" models from in-game renders). It would be like saying that because you draw a picture of a famous manga or comic that the creator of that comic automatically owns the rights to your work because they thought of it first. You created the work yourself therefore making it yours.

As for your request for permission to use these files I would suggest going directly to them personally and asking them if you can do this. Most of the modelers probably won't even see this thread due to the thousands of threads currently on the site. If you want to contact them I would suggest looking into Ruze's Halo Reach pepakura thread to start since he has the names of the modelers and the models the created below their names. I know that L3X BLU3RIV3R has some amazing pieces as well.

Don't be offended if any of them turn you down on this idea because you yourself don't want your rubber band gun model being sold on ebay for "$2.99". It's the same for them, they created something and gave it to the community to use as a way to create armor through pepakura. If you convert these files to be able to be drilled out with a CnC machine it will allow anybody to create "molds" for these files allowing unlimited replication without having to build the entire file from scratch. This can be exploited by anyone who doesn't respect the rules here on the 405th. I see that you are trying to help which is good! But you have to take into account the people that could take advantage of your great idea and thus taking advantage of the modelers. If someone were to resell an entire suit, they could easily go for $1000, and with a mold created like you said for $40 that is a huge profit for the exploiter leaving you and the modelers hanging out to dry not being paid a single cent for your work...That is the only problem I see with this, but besides that it is a great idea to be able to create "casted" quality work for a fraction of the price.

 

[Xavior217]

The main thing i see is, it would take a while to clean up all of the files ripped from the game engine. Your talking about 6 or 7 games if you include Halo Wars, and not to mention each variant. I'm not knocking your idea, I LOVE IT! Its just a really big time eating MONSTER. I find its easier for me to start a brand new file from scratch, rather than try to clean up a low poly model, add detail, fix proportion problems, etc. Just my 2 cents. Good Luck though, its a good idea.

If someone wouldn't mind helping me by creating a youtube vid by how to size armor to fit peoples exact measurements that would be helpful. I need it to include helmets, chest for men and women, cod, boots, everything on how to size it. I have time. I'm doing online college and I get my work done in the first two days for class which leaves me 5 days of being non stop board out of my ....Mind.


I figure it this way I was told there are 12 sizes of helmets. If I make all 12 sizes for all 6 halo serries for master cheif, than go down to every possible size of chest male / female, to cods, boots, I belive I can make it happen. It'll take a while. By my est it'll take me almost a year but It'll be a year well spent in helping my shipmates out in solving a problem that requires being resolved.

I need to know can you size armor to different sizes in pep desiznger?
How do I know how big it is or how big it is or who it's sized for?
Is there a button that'll tell me mathmatically the measurements so I know what I'm working with?
IS there anyway I can get a universal permit to convert peoples armor files so I can resolve this?

 

[DYSTORTED INC]

Great that you brought that up surf, I personally, still have reservations putting my files out there to the public. Simply because I don't like the idea that so many people will have there hands all over my "baby". Also, Its scary to think that some people WILL indeed take credit for creating said files, which is something that WILL happen; its just the nature of the beast. Thats why the only way to get the files is to donate to the Dawn Under Heaven project, hence, making it less likely that people will share and give away something that they put good money towards.

http://www.405th.com/showthread.php/35576-Dystorted-Inc-s-Evolving-Noble-Team-Build
http://www.405th.com/showthread.php/25331-Dawn-Under-Heaven-Fan-Film

 

[Xavior217]

Here is how you etch a design into a mold

Copyright is bungies. If you post anything online that isn't your copyright you have a limited time limit to call it yours. I belive the time limit is 5 years after which you have no claim to the copyright as per federal law even your own art if you decide to post it or share it pubically has a copyright law and a time limit upon use. What we're doing is in the gray area of law. The rubberband gun I designed in google sketch from a diesgn. It's not in any video game or anything it's my own design. The rubber band gun even has my name on the file and everyone knows i invented it. So good luck. It's for public use and I do not forsee anyone getting rich of one of my petty inventions. Though public use means you're fobidden to sell it as per federal law. There are benifits to making things public.

People have tried to do this with Predator and Star Trek the orignal movie props only 12 people in the world can tell a fake from the real. The people who tried this the people in hollywood and their elite lawyers ate them alive in courts. They're in jail 25-life for copyright theft. Red flags are already installed in ebay, youtube, cragslist, etc. People are stressing over nothing. My idea will conporate this concept:

(Mold) Outer mold will have the following stamped on the outer shell in bold letters as big as the outter mold 405th. Inside the 0 will be the person who created the file, the person who unfolded it. the person who made it into .pdo. The person who made it into .STL. It'll be very hard to steal this when the file has peoples names inscribed into the artwork itself. My critics will just say people will just take a belt sander and take it off. If you put the inscription on the mold in such a way if you sand it off it'll destroy the mold in which it'll screw anyone over who tries to do this. This is a concept I had when I ate lunch. I stopped eating and said like Gru from Dispicple me *LIGHTBULBBBB* Evil Grin.

First you'll have to do a dry run and have the CnC make the mold. On the outside you'll have to have etched into the outter design the 405th accross the square mold. deep. If you scrub off the stamp which is etched deep into the mold you will have to take layers off of it which will destroy the mold. If you have it on the left, right, top and bottom and the person trys to take it off he'll be up creek with out a paddle. It'll have your name all over it.
..........Stamp
Stamp{----} Stamp
.......... Stamp

This idea is not new. King Henry the eight came up with this idea to keep people from ripping off the east india trading company. It beared his seal on his cargo. If anyone tried to take off the seal and tried to pass it off as theirs there was tattle tale signs which shipping officals could tell that these people where smugglers and have them arrested.

Also sword makers did this all accross europe. It's a old smith mold secret. ^_~>

After which you rescan it into .obj than you have to reconvert it to .STL.

So you'll have to make the rifle. Cast it. Break the mold. perfectly in two and etch a stamp into the mold deep but not to deep to puncture but just enough. Do this on all 4 sizes of the mold on both halfs. Rescan it with 3D scanner into a .OBJ file then reconvert it into .STL than you have your mold, and protection stamps in the design.

If you want to be super careful on a part of the gun after the rifle or part is cast you could etch the information of who made it on top of the rifle and on the but of the weapon and on the ammo clip. So it'll be litterly impossible to say it's someone elses design and try to pass it as yours.

 

[Carpathia]

This is what L3X was talking about when he mentioned the double/triple posting. You just quadruple posted when you could have just edited post #55. This is against forum rules. Take a look at this thread...

http://www.405th.com/showthread.php/11045-Forum-Infractions-Warnings-and-Offenses

This is stickied in the NOOB forum, so if you've read around as much as you claim you have, you should have seen this. Notice under the "Common Problems" category, "Multiple Simultaneous or Consecutive Posts" is listed.

 

[Xavior217]

This is what L3X was talking about when he mentioned the double/triple posting. You just quadruple posted when you could have just edited post #55. This is against forum rules. Take a look at this thread...

http://www.405th.com/showthread.php/11045-Forum-Infractions-Warnings-and-Offenses

This is stickied in the NOOB forum, so if you've read around as much as you claim you have, you should have seen this. Notice under the "Common Problems" category, "Multiple Simultaneous or Consecutive Posts" is listed.

Serriously? I'm not allowed to talk? I have to wait for someone else to comment again? I've read post where you and other mods have done this repeatidly> Roger that I'll just stash all my updated text in my previous post is that better?

 

[rundown]

Serriously? I'm not allowed to talk? I have to wait for someone else to comment again? I've read post where you and other mods have done this repeatidly> Roger that I'll just stash all my updated text in my previous post is that better?

You can just edit your post. I also noticed you made another topic with something you said before. Please don't do this. It's really getting annoying.

 

[Xavior217]

You can just edit your post. I also noticed you made another topic with something you said before. Please don't do this. It's really getting annoying.

You mean the other newb post in noob post? I made that days ago before this one was made. It's a completly different subject. I tried to post photos of a rubber band gun and tried to post the file to the site. Says I'm a noob so I can't upload anything or photos. I tried uploading a URL to it peopel say it works and some say the links broke. Shrugs Just type in xavior217 and photobucket and you can see photos of it and concepts of my CnC halo weapons. I edited my post into one complete post above. Wasn't aware what double post ment. I guess I do now that I just got yelled at for talking twice in two seperate post. I take it if I have something new to say I have to update my previous post or wait until someone new says something. It's like old school chatroom rules from 1996. It's unique. Roger that I won't make any new post I'll just post updates to this one. And new xmas gifts or free files on the other one.

 

[ViperB77]

Listen to This While Reading this Thread
Ok, after reading this whole awesome post, I do have to say I'm the critic.

I wholeheartedly agree with Katsu, Carpathiavh99, and Seth_Knight_of_New_Wales; This is a difficult endeavor if you don't know what you're doing, its not "snap your fingers", and most of all man, you need to post at least one picture (IMHO).

I will play bad cop here, because I work WITH people that use safety equipment around a CnC machine and machines of the sort that will crank out badassery. You have to understand that maybe you could crank out that helmet with time, but who's really going to let you around their machine long enough to do that. Rapid pro-typing is probably what you're thinking of, and even that, the smallest amount of time that they would even let you NEAR one of those machines is talking about four digits of a price. So right there, its WAY too expensive, plus bro, like Seth said, where is your experience?

I have done my best to talk/post/rate all of us "so so" pepakura folders, and I ain't gonna lie, that did rub me the wrong way, because you have brought nothing to our table. It is our hobby, and like a hobby, you figure out how you like to do it YOUR BEST. Sure you're trying to bring some great information to us, but I don't see the proof. Besides, not only do you have some HIGHLY experienced members in this thread, you don't seem to have any grasp on what they are saying. From my safety standpoint, I see rookies walk up to those machines and burn off large amounts of skin on some machine they "think" they know. So if you can find a machine, great! Make us some @#$% awesome armor! But first you got to realize YOUR limits!

There.

I'm sure that EVERY single builder here; foamers, pep'ers, woodworker's, painters, bondoer's, metallurgicals and good ol' cardboarder's, can all agree that this stuff takes time, and your patience at one point. This is our hobby man, some people can crank this **** out and turn it into a side job, but I am gonna play the bad cop and say, you need to make some, hell, beat my armor! I'm gonna fail at a lot, but I will keep on going with my method until I can't anymore.

You should first try and make some armor, or post it. We're anxious and ready, Xavior217.

"Betcha can't stick it..."

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