DesertFare
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i know that our super soldier friends can take a TON of shots and such, but as far as physical limits go, what are their end points?
What beatings can a spartan take?
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DesertFare
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probably, i was being stupid when i made the thread, and could a spartan take a kick from a scarab tank?
Probably. All he'd have to do is sidestep :-D
Remember the stunt the Master Chief pulled with the missile in The Fall of Reach?
alix965
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Excellent question Ironium
The Scarab kick immediatley makes me think of Noble Six's low orbit fall to the surface of Reach,which he survived with what appeared to be a dislocated shoulder. I can't imagine a static impact from a giant mechanical leg generating more velocity than a free-fall from 1,200 miles above an Earth-like planet. Even if terminal velocity is achieved at 90 miles a second, deceleration trauma would be enormous. Mjolnir, even in it's early stages, contains a layer of hydrostatic gel that changes in density, so the armor would handle a Scarab mulekick. Not to mention the addition of energy shields, which can act as a buffer and can withstand physical as well as energy based damage.
MC's partial deflection and timely sidestepping of that incoming ordnance saved him from the explosive effects of the missle, but the concussion rocked him pretty good. I would imagine that a non-AI equipped S-II would not be able to pull off this manuever, at least not without massive internal injuries, so I think Mjolnir's limits are reached when multiple systems are damaged. With sophisticated equipment such as an Apache helicopter or an M1 tank this is known as Catastrophic Failure.
The bad news; shielding knocked offline, structural composition of armor and powered undersuit compromised, possible Aritficial Intelligence corruption. The good news, you would have to be a hell of an adversary to stop a battle hardened and determined SPARTAN of any class from stopping/killing you before you can cause all of these things at once.
TMI?
The Scarab kick immediatley makes me think of Noble Six's low orbit fall to the surface of Reach,which he survived with what appeared to be a dislocated shoulder. I can't imagine a static impact from a giant mechanical leg generating more velocity than a free-fall from 1,200 miles above an Earth-like planet. Even if terminal velocity is achieved at 90 miles a second, deceleration trauma would be enormous. Mjolnir, even in it's early stages, contains a layer of hydrostatic gel that changes in density, so the armor would handle a Scarab mulekick. Not to mention the addition of energy shields, which can act as a buffer and can withstand physical as well as energy based damage.
MC's partial deflection and timely sidestepping of that incoming ordnance saved him from the explosive effects of the missle, but the concussion rocked him pretty good. I would imagine that a non-AI equipped S-II would not be able to pull off this manuever, at least not without massive internal injuries, so I think Mjolnir's limits are reached when multiple systems are damaged. With sophisticated equipment such as an Apache helicopter or an M1 tank this is known as Catastrophic Failure.
The bad news; shielding knocked offline, structural composition of armor and powered undersuit compromised, possible Aritficial Intelligence corruption. The good news, you would have to be a hell of an adversary to stop a battle hardened and determined SPARTAN of any class from stopping/killing you before you can cause all of these things at once.
TMI?
SchizophrenicMC
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The Spartan, themselves? Not much more than would kill a normal human. Given, it takes more non-lethal shots to stop them, and beating them with something is gonna get you near to nowhere, but anything so crazy as we see in Halo that would kill a human would kill a Spartan.
Say, they're armored with the MJOLNIR MkV armor, though. Hydrostatic gel layer, energy shielding, and titanium carbide armor are gonna go a long way. To kill a Spartan, you have to compromise at least 2 of the above features. If you can kill their gel layer, and their shielding, no amount of armor can protect against a large impact, or fall. Shielding and armor, it's just gunshots. Gel and armor, and the shielding cuts out, anyway. These can protect to variable levels, and it must be noted that the compromise achieved for maximum combat efficacy has much more limited shielding than is physically possible, and keeps the hydrostats at low levels for high-mobility. Pumping both to max would allow a Spartan to survive re-entry and landing, because the armor would lock up and impact energy would be dissipated across the entire shield as heat. What energy is taken by the Spartan would be fairly massive, but likely to not be enough to break their ceramic-carbide-ossified bones. (Though it could cause internal bleeding and joint injuries)
Under the right circumstances, it takes a lot to kill a Spartan. Scarab kick, I'd assume the MkVI could take it, given the speed at which it adjusts the gel layer, and the increased shielding, but the MkV probably couldn't, at a normal combat set.
Say, they're armored with the MJOLNIR MkV armor, though. Hydrostatic gel layer, energy shielding, and titanium carbide armor are gonna go a long way. To kill a Spartan, you have to compromise at least 2 of the above features. If you can kill their gel layer, and their shielding, no amount of armor can protect against a large impact, or fall. Shielding and armor, it's just gunshots. Gel and armor, and the shielding cuts out, anyway. These can protect to variable levels, and it must be noted that the compromise achieved for maximum combat efficacy has much more limited shielding than is physically possible, and keeps the hydrostats at low levels for high-mobility. Pumping both to max would allow a Spartan to survive re-entry and landing, because the armor would lock up and impact energy would be dissipated across the entire shield as heat. What energy is taken by the Spartan would be fairly massive, but likely to not be enough to break their ceramic-carbide-ossified bones. (Though it could cause internal bleeding and joint injuries)
Under the right circumstances, it takes a lot to kill a Spartan. Scarab kick, I'd assume the MkVI could take it, given the speed at which it adjusts the gel layer, and the increased shielding, but the MkV probably couldn't, at a normal combat set.
DesertFare
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jesus, thanks guys! im just trying to whip up a nice scene for Halo:Titans, in which a spartan gets kicked by a scarab tank into a wall of an old building. 
Halo:titans is something im working on
Halo:titans is something im working on GunGryphon
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Well it would also depend on where the impact occured. The mental trauma might be lethal if somthing went wrong and he landed on his head after re-entry, it might even be able to overpower the Gel layer that is supporting his neck.
Even if that stayed intact, the rest of his innards would be trying to ram themselvs through the neck of the gel layer, causing more pressure on the brain.
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Even if that stayed intact, the rest of his innards would be trying to ram themselvs through the neck of the gel layer, causing more pressure on the brain.
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DesertFare
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lol, well. i plan on having *spoiler, lul* BRAD chasing a scarab, tailing that b***h, but at the last second it mule kicks him, he raises his arms to defend his vitals, and gets thrown back 30 feet into an old masonry wall
alix965
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I hate when that happens
n1njqch1cken
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a very, very sore smacked bottom, followed up by a time out for five 8IG minutes and their xbl tags erased.
Wait, what?!
I think what a spartan can survive depends a lot on each spartan individually, in First Strike when the spartan team abandon a damaged pelican in midflight the fall from the pelican to the ground kills 4 of them outright and wounds a large amount of the team, the 4 that died may not have been as phisically or mentally strong as the others (altho even the weakest spartan is hard as nails ).
As cortanna says the master chief has always been lucky, thats why he can do stupid stunts like surf a covenant bomb through space and then make a perfect landing on the hull of a starship
).As cortanna says the master chief has always been lucky, thats why he can do stupid stunts like surf a covenant bomb through space and then make a perfect landing on the hull of a starship
alix965
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I think what a spartan can survive depends a lot on each spartan individually, in First Strike when the spartan team abandon a damaged pelican in midflight the fall from the pelican to the ground kills 4 of them outright and wounds a large amount of the team, the 4 that died may not have been as phisically or mentally strong as the others (altho even the weakest spartan is hard as nails
As cortanna says the master chief has always been lucky, thats why he can do stupid stunts like surf a covenant bomb through space and then make a perfect landing on the hull of a starship
Excellent point. I'm sure individual ability and constitution has a lot to do with surviveability. I totally forgot about the Pelican bailout. That was pretty tragic I'm sure they were all looking at each other like I hope you make it.
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