Are There Any Countries Like This?

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for my homework, i need to find the differences and similarities between socialism and communism, but i also have to find a country that implies both communism and socialism


i've looked all over the internet and found nothing, so can someone please tell me if there is such a country
 
here is a link to Wikipedia containing a list of communist and socialist countries.

here is the straight up Wikipedia for communism
and here is wiki for socialism

im sure you could of found these... if this is a college paper you probably cant use wiki as a reference, but in high school i know we could... so good luck.

Socialism and communism are ideological doctrines that have many similarities as well as many differences. It is difficult to discern the true differences between socialism and communism, as various societies have tried different types of both systems in myriad forms, and many ideologues with different agendas have defined both systems in biased terms. Some main differences, however, can still be identified.

One difference between socialism and communism is that socialism is mainly an economic system, while communism is both an economic and a political system. As an economic system, socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control. Communism, however, seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness. Both socialism and communism are similar in that they seek to prevent the ill effects that are sometimes produced by capitalism.

Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly and controlled and planned by a centralized organization. However, socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to the amount of individuals' production efforts, while communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.

Another difference between socialism and communism is that communists assert that both capitalism and private ownership of means of production must be done away with as soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the communist ideal, is formed. Socialists, however, see capitalism as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a centralized planning system.

Finally, another difference between socialism and communism is centered on who controls the structure of economy. Where socialism generally aims to have as many people as possible influence how the economy works, communism seeks to concentrate that number into a smaller amount
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Don't cite Wikipedia as a source if you can possibly help it. Most academics will just laugh you out of the classroom for it.
 
Crucible said:
Don't cite Wikipedia as a source if you can possibly help it. Most academics will just laugh you out of the classroom for it.
like i said if its a college paper you cant use wiki, but if its high school you should be ok.
 
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DreadMullet said:
like i said if its a college paper you cant use wiki, but if its high school you should be ok.
Even when I was in high school, they gave crap to those that used wikipedia. You should try to find an online database thats used by schools or universities if you can get access to them. Maybe even try a library
 
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tubachris85x said:
Even when I was in high school, they gave crap to those that used wikipedia. You should try to find an online database thats used by schools or universities if you can get access to them. Maybe even try a library

Same here. When I was in high school, the teachers forbid us from using wiki. Too many people were just ripping the crap info from wiki and saying it was all their own words.....and being wrong 80% of the time, the kids were gettin worse grades than I was. Its like lookin up info on atomic weapons on a cereal box.
 
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DreadMullet said:
like i said if its a college paper you cant use wiki, but if its high school you should be ok.
For all of my papers so far the teachers have empahsized this before we could start.

Wiki = Fail

They won't even grade it if you use wiki as a source.


I usually read it and then search for the info I've found. In your case look at the wiki list then try searching for info on one of their governments. Wiki doesn't have to be a direct source (as it isn't always reliable),but it sometimes helps to have a starting point, a nudge in the right direction (you hope). Though most of the time its pretty obvious when somone messes with it, sometimes its hard to tell.

Spawn Camp3r said:
Well, If you really wanted to be smart you could simply state that no country has ever achieved true communism.

True enough. Communisum only works in theory, not practice. Am I correcting in guessing that thats why socialism exits? Not that I would know. Capitalism, its a love/hate relationship.
 
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Communisum only works in theory, not practice

Hahaha yeah seriously. I always say that it was human nature that killed communism. Humans naturally want to have more money than other people. If you would ask anyone if they wanted everyone to be equal with everyone else, they would probably tell you yes. But honestly when it comes right down to it, humans enjoy trying to be better and make more money than somebody else. That's why capitalism has thrived.

Ohh sorry, back on topic. I'm 100% positive that North Korea as well as Cuba still practice communism. At the moment I can't exactly remember what the difference between communism and socialism is, but I would guess that they both probably practice that too. :lol: Correct me if I'm wrong though. Don't want you to fail an important college assignment based on some advice a sophmore in high school gave you. :p
 
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This probably won't help at all and i doubt you want to read it, but here's a paper I did freshman year on Communism as an economic system...
I got a 100, but that means nothing.

The Communist Manifesto, written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in 1848, states that “…the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.” The Manifesto continues on to say that, “...nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a socialist tinge... Has not Christianity declaimed against private property...” What this states is that the very basis of Communism as a political system is based around the abolition of private property, and is the right way since it even, according to Marx, follows Christianity. This philosophy has led many to wonder: Why? Why, in an ideal communist state, must there be no private property?

This is according to the Communist's idea of an economic system, where people are equal in status, wealth is equally distributed, and the people work according to how and when the government tells them to. The government owns the country's means of production and sets quotas for essential items such as wheat, vegetables, iron, steel, and any essential products.

Also, since a Communist government would wish to disassociate itself from all practices and signs of capitalism, private property would be one of the first practices to be outlawed, since private property would create a class society and a semblance of inequality, place most of the wealth in the hands of few, and drive people to work for personal profit. In addition, the capitalist society of the United States harbors the belief that the government should be decidedly uninvolved in what goes on in businesses, corporations, and trusts, so long as they do not grow out of control, a practice know as “laissez-faire”.

Since this allows businesses to set their own prices and the market to regulate itself according to competition between businesses, it would enable a corporation, trust, or business to make a huge profit by eliminating almost all competition, furthering the unequal distribution of wealth. In a capitalist society there is also the exploitation of the common worker, or proletariat, by the owners of the factory or industry, known as the bourgeoisie. This exploitation occurs through long hours, unsafe working conditions, and low wages for work, skilled or unskilled.

With the abolition of private property in a Communistic state, there would be no competition between people for money or wealth. There would be no political corruption, because nobody would have the amount of money required in their own pockets to pay off political figures and public servants, and everybody would have equal status in society, because there is no private property or wealth to show off to other lesser peoples or to use to overpower them.

When private property is abolished, the exploitation of workers will stop, because everyone is a worker, and the bosses who owned the private property cannot abuse them with impunity if he does not own the land or factory that they work. Also, since nobody is in control of a business or corporation, corruption in the like of Dennis Kozlowski and the people at WorldCom cannot occur.

Some people in the capitalist society say that without private property, laziness abounds. Since the government will provide every resource needed to survive, the people will not need to work, and therefore won't, they reason. However, the government provides and distributes based on what the people produce. If one person slacks off, this will affect the nation as a whole, because what they produce will have a shortage. The people in a Communist state cannot afford to be lazy any more than capitalists with private property can.

For example, a group of farmers on a collective that produces a quarter of the nation's grain decides that they don't want to work. As a result, there is a shortage, as only 75% of the quota for grain was met, and people will starve as a result of these few workers. These workers would be punished by the government for not fulfilling their due, punishment ranging from being exiled to remote regions, to doing jail time, to death.

Lastly, in real former and present-day Communist states, the government always degenerated into a totalitarian regime, with a dictator and a group of planners or advisers in absolute control over every single aspect of the lives of the people. They control what the people do for a living, they control how much money and how much food they get for the year, they control the amount of production from that group of people. In some instances, such as in the Stalinist USSR, the dictator/dictatorial group can even control what the people think with propaganda such as Stalin's “Five-year plans”.

Adding to these points, dictators usually fear that the people they control will rise up against them one day. With this in mind, a Communist dictator would be even more resolute on the abolition of private property. Without private property, nobody can make a private profit. Without money, people cannot buy weapons, loyalty, or anything they would need for a revolution. Without the essentials, a revolution cannot sustain itself and will fall apart, which ensures the dictator or ruler remains in power.

In conclusion, the abolition of private property in a Communist state, ideal or not, is necessary. Not only is it one of the most fundamental parts of Communism as a political system, it also, in an ideal state, will protect workers from exploitation, remove barriers between the social classes of the poor and the rich, protect from corruption in political and business-related areas, create a system where laziness will be almost nonexistent, and usually most important, ensure that the rulers or the government of that state or country remain in power.


EDIT: By definition, any country that calls itself Communist is a socialist country... Communism is the political ideal, socialism is just the economic system they happen to take to an extreme. At least, that's what they taught me, and if they're wrong, I have a school to sue.
 
If wasn't answered in the huge block of text above me, china is a socialist county well on its way to becoming communist however if that ever happens its a mystery.
 
Spawn Camp3r said:
If wasn't answered in the huge block of text above me, china is a socialist county well on its way to becoming communist however if that ever happens its a mystery.

PROTIP: China's been Communist since 1949 when Mao Zedong forced Chiang Kai-shek into exile in Taiwan. /me is Chinese, therefore I should know XD

But yes, you could use China as an example, I guess... I suppose it's a socialist nation, even if it isn't exactly a social welfare state.
 
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Socialism and communism are slightly similar. in Socialism, the basic means for life are provided by the government. such as heat, housing(they have public housing, or you can pay to have a nicer home, or one that is more accommodating), electric, etc. They also elect their government, exactly like a democracy does. this usually leads to higher taxes than a democracy though. but you will not go without the basic needs of life.
in communism, the government owns everything and controls nearly every aspect of your life. It controls your job, salary, housing, etc.
i figure in the US we'll have a socialism economic system within 20 years.(not necessarily a bad thing though. it's working very well for a lot of european countries.)
we just learned all about this in my government course. so i may not be 100% exact, but that's what we had to put in our notes.
 
Bloodl3tt3r said:
PROTIP: China's been Communist since 1949 when Mao Zedong forced Chiang Kai-shek into exile in Taiwan. /me is Chinese, therefore I should know XD

But yes, you could use China as an example, I guess... I suppose it's a socialist nation, even if it isn't exactly a social welfare state.

Claiming to be communist and actually being communist are worlds apart.

You'd probably be surprised to know that the United States isn't a democracy, it's a republic.
 
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Communism is an idea that is never reached. No matter how much a country may claim to be communist, in reality they are actually socialist totalitarian states. Communism is like Anarchy in that it cannot be attained due to its human element. If a government was run by machines then there would be communism. The "communist" states never ever make it past the socialist phase due to the corruption at the top. Once you give a man that kind of power, he will never relinquish it. Therefore the government doesn't provide for the people like true communism states (basically creating a utopian society), it takes control of everything and runs it all right into the ground. You have no possessions as they are all owned by the state.

Anarchy is a similar unattainable government. People need rules to survive and the closest that you can get to an anarchical government is a clan system similar to the ancient Scottish Highlands and backwoods Ireland. There is no real laws or rules within the country but there are rules and codes of conduct that people within each specific clan that people follow. Also, there is fighting all the time between clans to gain land, resources, wealth, etc.

Communism is unattainable due to man's fallacy as a creature of good government. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and therefore communism will never exist in its purest, true form.
 
BFDesigns said:
Communism is an idea that is never reached. No matter how much a country may claim to be communist, in reality they are actually socialist totalitarian states. Communism is like Anarchy in that it cannot be attained due to its human element. If a government was run by machines then there would be communism. The "communist" states never ever make it past the socialist phase due to the corruption at the top. Once you give a man that kind of power, he will never relinquish it. Therefore the government doesn't provide for the people like true communism states (basically creating a utopian society), it takes control of everything and runs it all right into the ground. You have no possessions as they are all owned by the state.

Anarchy is a similar unattainable government. People need rules to survive and the closest that you can get to an anarchical government is a clan system similar to the ancient Scottish Highlands and backwoods Ireland. There is no real laws or rules within the country but there are rules and codes of conduct that people within each specific clan that people follow. Also, there is fighting all the time between clans to gain land, resources, wealth, etc.

Communism is unattainable due to man's fallacy as a creature of good government. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and therefore communism will never exist in its purest, true form.
amen. Karl Marx forgot that one tiny variable when he wrote the Communist Manifesto.
 
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Actually, Communism and Socialism are two different things.
Socialists try to achieve everything they want by Non-radical means
And Communist are more radical in their means.
And communism did not work like it should, Good idea, but didn't work.

Overall, Communism is a lie(Fallout 3 Liberty Prime Quote)

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