Thanx longshot I'm just trying to figure out the best way to harden it. It's to big to slush rondo the inside so I was thinking of rondo on the out side. I'm planning to put a small light in the front maybe a laser from an old dvd player or some thing and a couple of magnets so it will attach to the back of my armor which will have a couple of small metal peaces on the back. But it's mostly for show.