some of us need....
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You know, I agree Magnum. There used to be even more mods than now but some just kind of dissapeared over time. And that was when there were a lot less people as members.
Now it's pretty much Adam, Sean, Link, Doom, and occasionally Matt or Red when they drop by.
Sean really hit the heart of the matter when he said Armor Before Attitude. Even though the forum doesn't really serve it's old purpose as a meeting ground of pros, I think we've grown a lot in a good way. We have much more comprehensive tutorials and still attract experienced folks as well as people ready to learn about the art. I know I never was part of the first catagory. I was a total n00b that learned everything I know from people here and then discovered a couple new ways to apply old techniques. I think if anyone can be accredited to why the forum is so different and accesible now is Fraz for bringing Pepakura to us. Before that, everything had to made from scratch or bought from a supplier.
Truthfully, if we wanted to lock down people making a lot of the repetative threads. The way to do it would be to limit access to the pepakura files. If people were required to take a test based on the stickies before they could download pepakura armor files, there would be a lot less HHOW DUZ I SCALZ? type threads.
Now it's pretty much Adam, Sean, Link, Doom, and occasionally Matt or Red when they drop by.
Sean really hit the heart of the matter when he said Armor Before Attitude. Even though the forum doesn't really serve it's old purpose as a meeting ground of pros, I think we've grown a lot in a good way. We have much more comprehensive tutorials and still attract experienced folks as well as people ready to learn about the art. I know I never was part of the first catagory. I was a total n00b that learned everything I know from people here and then discovered a couple new ways to apply old techniques. I think if anyone can be accredited to why the forum is so different and accesible now is Fraz for bringing Pepakura to us. Before that, everything had to made from scratch or bought from a supplier.
Truthfully, if we wanted to lock down people making a lot of the repetative threads. The way to do it would be to limit access to the pepakura files. If people were required to take a test based on the stickies before they could download pepakura armor files, there would be a lot less HHOW DUZ I SCALZ? type threads.
An automated system would be nice, 1 week to read the forums and stickies, then you take a test, fail it, you're banned.
Too many people Pm me or make threads and ask us all simple questions that are in stickies, i know not everything is in the stickies, but even google.com will help, if they cant find on google or stickies, thats when they need to ask the question.
Too many people Pm me or make threads and ask us all simple questions that are in stickies, i know not everything is in the stickies, but even google.com will help, if they cant find on google or stickies, thats when they need to ask the question.
spartanmartin1
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Durlaburban said:
Ummmm.......... The only thing is...... That the magority of the site is young. such as myself and alot more...
But this is the only place i can talk to other people round the earth and have fun looking at other armor
and how amazing they have done. Please dont make a age limit. We have been recodnized by our armor
and dedacation for halo. Not for our ages and arguments!
I REST MY CASE!
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Many people are dedicated to the game, but this site isnt based on the game, it's an armor website, many people here dont even have a full suit of armor they can call their own. When people contribute help/files/tutorials and help others, they are dedicated to the site and armor making process.
NuggetWarmer
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If an age limit were to be put in place, what would happen to the contributing younger members like me, Doom, supertaco, Robo, and others? We've all done our part by giving the 405th our files and time.
If anything, I think that the 405th needs more moderators.
If anything, I think that the 405th needs more moderators.
Robogenisis
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I'm just going to sum up my opinions here:
1. A strict age limit is BAD. Maybe if there was an underage forum that, if you showed your worth, then a moderator could promote you to the 18+ forums. That could work, but could cause problems with "Imz wrothy! Y U don't promote mEz?" PMs at the mods. People who post 100 topics that are all asking questions that are answered in the stickies wouldn't get promoted. People like Doom, supertaco, Nugget, me, etc. could get promoted. But, I don't think the age thing will happen, at least in the near future.
2. I think a 1 week period where you could only read the stickies, or something like that could work. Most of the people who join here are so excited about making Halo armor, that they won't just let their profile wait for the week. They'll look up everything they can (at least I would. I couldn't just do nothing for a week).
3. I think a sticky test would be even better than the one week period. We would probably need a few more mods though. In my opinion, there needs to be a test for every forum. If you want to post in the Pep forum, then you need to pass the Pep sticky test, if you want to post in the molding forum, you need to pass the molding sticky test, etc.
4. We need more active mods. We have so few for all of the members we supposedly have. A few more mods would make this a better forum, because they could catch bad things faster, and put less stress on the other active mods.
5. I completely agree with "Armor Before Attitude".
6. IQ tests are bad. They can't tell you that someone won't be to lazy to read the stickies, or won't be a jerk to everyone about everything. My example is CamreTas. He was banned a week ago I believe, but he had over 400 posts, had been a member for several months, and had a supposed IQ of 186 (which is very high. I believe 140 is genius.) He posted so many useless topics to get to 400+, and even posted 3 "I don't know how to pep. Tell me everything step by step" posts within a few days of each other.
1. A strict age limit is BAD. Maybe if there was an underage forum that, if you showed your worth, then a moderator could promote you to the 18+ forums. That could work, but could cause problems with "Imz wrothy! Y U don't promote mEz?" PMs at the mods. People who post 100 topics that are all asking questions that are answered in the stickies wouldn't get promoted. People like Doom, supertaco, Nugget, me, etc. could get promoted. But, I don't think the age thing will happen, at least in the near future.
2. I think a 1 week period where you could only read the stickies, or something like that could work. Most of the people who join here are so excited about making Halo armor, that they won't just let their profile wait for the week. They'll look up everything they can (at least I would. I couldn't just do nothing for a week).
3. I think a sticky test would be even better than the one week period. We would probably need a few more mods though. In my opinion, there needs to be a test for every forum. If you want to post in the Pep forum, then you need to pass the Pep sticky test, if you want to post in the molding forum, you need to pass the molding sticky test, etc.
4. We need more active mods. We have so few for all of the members we supposedly have. A few more mods would make this a better forum, because they could catch bad things faster, and put less stress on the other active mods.
5. I completely agree with "Armor Before Attitude".
6. IQ tests are bad. They can't tell you that someone won't be to lazy to read the stickies, or won't be a jerk to everyone about everything. My example is CamreTas. He was banned a week ago I believe, but he had over 400 posts, had been a member for several months, and had a supposed IQ of 186 (which is very high. I believe 140 is genius.) He posted so many useless topics to get to 400+, and even posted 3 "I don't know how to pep. Tell me everything step by step" posts within a few days of each other.
IQ is merely the measure of ones intelligence. Basically, how someone uses information rather than how much one has gathered. I agree that IQ tests are bad, but higher scores should point to people that would use the information on this site rather than ask for someone to explain it to them. IQ tests are bad in the sense that, as Robo pointed out, it doesn't take into consideration someone's personality.
Fact remains, I think we all agree that we just need a couple more mods that are around to fill in for the main ones.
Fact remains, I think we all agree that we just need a couple more mods that are around to fill in for the main ones.
Well, I'm sure if they decide to get some more mods that they'll have to have a round table discussion first to see how many they think they need, whether they want global mods or forum specific mods, possible candidates etc. It's a lot of logistics to cover.
That being said, I think your completely right. We need at least a few new mods to pick up the slack for those that are no longer active.
That being said, I think your completely right. We need at least a few new mods to pick up the slack for those that are no longer active.
I'd personally prefer that there be a probationary period, where newbies couldn't post, and could only have access to reading the stickies and tutorials. Keep it like that, for say, a month, and if you really want to go overkill, have a knowledge test, with questions such as "How does one harden his armor?" Or "How much resin will you require?"
At this point, if the person scores sufficiently well and knows what he's doing, he could in theory be allowed to post and become a valued member of the community.
Aaand apparently robogenesis already had these ideas, and posted before me. Sorry about that. I honestly didn't see it before i posted.
At this point, if the person scores sufficiently well and knows what he's doing, he could in theory be allowed to post and become a valued member of the community.
Aaand apparently robogenesis already had these ideas, and posted before me. Sorry about that. I honestly didn't see it before i posted.
NuggetWarmer
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The problem I see with having a 'sticky test' is that some people, like me, tend to follow each thing step-by-step, rather than know everything at once.
Ex:
Step 1: Get Pepakura
*gets Pepakura*
Step 2: Get the files, size them, print them out, etc.
*does that*
Step 3: Blah blah blah...
You get the main idea of what I'm talking about right?
Ex:
Step 1: Get Pepakura
*gets Pepakura*
Step 2: Get the files, size them, print them out, etc.
*does that*
Step 3: Blah blah blah...
You get the main idea of what I'm talking about right?
Skullcandy Girl
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Hmmm, well, everyone has said a lot already, though what about this:
heheh how about a Common Sense test?? I.Q. only measures memory retention, there is no test for "how bright someone" is
I went to one of the best art schools and I'm working for Viacom doing broadcast motion graphics in NYC. According to these "IQ tests" I should be a velcro shoe wearing, short bus riding, helmet totting stay at home mom. So those things really won't help, at least for someone like me.
I like chit-chatting and getting to know my fellow forgers and give out encouragement on the forums as I sit on my kiester waiting for orders from Producers to come in, so that's why my post count is high. And I somehow manage to *gasp* RESPECT THE FORGERS!
I have 2 full time jobs, so I can't always post a new piece of armor a week, but I post my progress when I can and when it's meaningful. I dunno if more rules should be imposed, and I dunno about more moderators because that can cause so issues. It sucks, but not everyone knows what CONSIDERATE means, and that's at any age. I have no idea what kind of "elite" setting people should have.
Maybe colors or metals like they have on XBL, you get a Metal for completing this armor, a metal for this helmet, a metal for being a Pepakura or 3D architect, who knows.
But at the least for me, I just want well-built, finished, cool looking armor, and I'm glad I'm not the only one that wants it. I'm not in it for some sense of elitism.
heheh how about a Common Sense test?? I.Q. only measures memory retention, there is no test for "how bright someone" is
I went to one of the best art schools and I'm working for Viacom doing broadcast motion graphics in NYC. According to these "IQ tests" I should be a velcro shoe wearing, short bus riding, helmet totting stay at home mom. So those things really won't help, at least for someone like me.I like chit-chatting and getting to know my fellow forgers and give out encouragement on the forums as I sit on my kiester waiting for orders from Producers to come in, so that's why my post count is high. And I somehow manage to *gasp* RESPECT THE FORGERS!
I have 2 full time jobs, so I can't always post a new piece of armor a week, but I post my progress when I can and when it's meaningful. I dunno if more rules should be imposed, and I dunno about more moderators because that can cause so issues. It sucks, but not everyone knows what CONSIDERATE means, and that's at any age. I have no idea what kind of "elite" setting people should have.
Maybe colors or metals like they have on XBL, you get a Metal for completing this armor, a metal for this helmet, a metal for being a Pepakura or 3D architect, who knows.
But at the least for me, I just want well-built, finished, cool looking armor, and I'm glad I'm not the only one that wants it. I'm not in it for some sense of elitism.
Sean Bradley
Sr Member
I officially love this thread. It's like Lord of the Flies up in here.
What a neat little sociological experiment : someone proposes more rules and all of the sudden you're all trying to start us over from scratch. We gave you the inch and now you're all rulers.
Under the current system you're ALL part of the moderating staff. See that 'Report!' button down in the left hand corner? That button allows any member to report offensive material to the moderators. So the community polices itself, and more mods and banhammers aren't needed.
Strangely I haven't seen a recent rash of innapropriate behavior... it was worse a month or two ago. Things recently have been pretty calm.
Crops of newbies come in waves, they ask dumb questions, have to get the rules spelled out for them, then they start to understand and contribute, or they leave. Congrats to the recent graduates of the class of "I'm tired of answering questions that have been answered already" May you wear it with pride.
Lastly, this is an educational website for the Halo armor community. I don't see us closing our doors to younger people simply because they have more questions and need more guidance than the older members. Besides, age isn't a true indicator of maturity..
Want to help the situation? Lead by example. Help those who need it instead of jumping to that fashionable internet trend of shaming them. Write a tutorial or an FAQ. Direct people to where the real information is. Be helpful.
It's a test of patience I know, but it's a necessary part of a growing community like ours.
I think thats all I have to say on the subject.
What a neat little sociological experiment : someone proposes more rules and all of the sudden you're all trying to start us over from scratch. We gave you the inch and now you're all rulers.
Under the current system you're ALL part of the moderating staff. See that 'Report!' button down in the left hand corner? That button allows any member to report offensive material to the moderators. So the community polices itself, and more mods and banhammers aren't needed.
Strangely I haven't seen a recent rash of innapropriate behavior... it was worse a month or two ago. Things recently have been pretty calm.
Crops of newbies come in waves, they ask dumb questions, have to get the rules spelled out for them, then they start to understand and contribute, or they leave. Congrats to the recent graduates of the class of "I'm tired of answering questions that have been answered already" May you wear it with pride.
Lastly, this is an educational website for the Halo armor community. I don't see us closing our doors to younger people simply because they have more questions and need more guidance than the older members. Besides, age isn't a true indicator of maturity..
Want to help the situation? Lead by example. Help those who need it instead of jumping to that fashionable internet trend of shaming them. Write a tutorial or an FAQ. Direct people to where the real information is. Be helpful.
It's a test of patience I know, but it's a necessary part of a growing community like ours.
I think thats all I have to say on the subject.
leegrisham
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I don't really care what you guys do about age limits as long as 22 is old enough but after reading some of the posts early on in this thread about detail requirements I don't think I'll be "showing off my armor". I'm by no means an expert fabricator and even if I made several practice suits I don't think I could equall the quality of some of your suits. I can reside to use this place as a great resource - which it has proven to be of great value all ready and I've only been a member around a week.
Primal Weyland
Well-Known Member
I'll put a suggestion up here, in the hopes that perhaps someone willactually listen to it:
Stickies. They're useful, heck knows that. Those things are a lifesaver, and most of the info therein is exactly what people need.
However, how many people look at the stuck threads, see about eight or nine pages, wander into the first two or three pages, see a page full of posts going 'nice work guys, keep it up', and think 'sod it, there's nothing of worth here'? I know I did.
The point here is that the VAST majority of people - humanity in general, in fact - has very little patience. They see something, and see it as not a worthwhile expenditure of time and effort to go trawling for what they need. Hence the threads asking for clarification upon content concealed within the stickies.
What we need is a DEDICATED topic PURELY for a subject - for example, one thread PURELY for file links of Pepakura articles, another PURELY for fibreglassing/resin tutorials, another for how to start up on moulding, et cetera. And for those topics to be correctly policed - for example, certain threads existing purely for resources only, and 'social chat' being restricted. Vader had the right idea by making all recent Pepakura files available at the back end of the File topic, and I must give credit where it is due.
However, this forum can be far more streamlined and efficient if the time is put in to make it so. If this is done, I anticipate the number of useless topics would decrease, productivity would increase, and arguing would be kept to a minimum.
I personally am working on compiling and referencing all known Pepakura files, and once this is complete I intend to make a dedicated file topic purely for Pepakura files. Once this is complete, my next aim will be to complete a step-by-step guide on how to use Pepakura to create your armor - a 'fool's guide', if you will.
Feedback to this would be greatly appreciated.
Stickies. They're useful, heck knows that. Those things are a lifesaver, and most of the info therein is exactly what people need.
However, how many people look at the stuck threads, see about eight or nine pages, wander into the first two or three pages, see a page full of posts going 'nice work guys, keep it up
', and think 'sod it, there's nothing of worth here'? I know I did.The point here is that the VAST majority of people - humanity in general, in fact - has very little patience. They see something, and see it as not a worthwhile expenditure of time and effort to go trawling for what they need. Hence the threads asking for clarification upon content concealed within the stickies.
What we need is a DEDICATED topic PURELY for a subject - for example, one thread PURELY for file links of Pepakura articles, another PURELY for fibreglassing/resin tutorials, another for how to start up on moulding, et cetera. And for those topics to be correctly policed - for example, certain threads existing purely for resources only, and 'social chat' being restricted. Vader had the right idea by making all recent Pepakura files available at the back end of the File topic, and I must give credit where it is due.
However, this forum can be far more streamlined and efficient if the time is put in to make it so. If this is done, I anticipate the number of useless topics would decrease, productivity would increase, and arguing would be kept to a minimum.
I personally am working on compiling and referencing all known Pepakura files, and once this is complete I intend to make a dedicated file topic purely for Pepakura files. Once this is complete, my next aim will be to complete a step-by-step guide on how to use Pepakura to create your armor - a 'fool's guide', if you will.
Feedback to this would be greatly appreciated.
Sean Bradley said:I officially love this thread. It's like Lord of the Flies up in here.
What a neat little sociological experiment : someone proposes more rules and all of the sudden you're all trying to start us over from scratch. We gave you the inch and now you're all rulers.
Under the current system you're ALL part of the moderating staff. See that 'Report!' button down in the left hand corner? That button allows any member to report offensive material to the moderators. So the community polices itself, and more mods and banhammers aren't needed.
Strangely I haven't seen a recent rash of innapropriate behavior... it was worse a month or two ago. Things recently have been pretty calm.
Crops of newbies come in waves, they ask dumb questions, have to get the rules spelled out for them, then they start to understand and contribute, or they leave. Congrats to the recent graduates of the class of "I'm tired of answering questions that have been answered already" May you wear it with pride.
Lastly, this is an educational website for the Halo armor community. I don't see us closing our doors to younger people simply because they have more questions and need more guidance than the older members. Besides, age isn't a true indicator of maturity..
Want to help the situation? Lead by example. Help those who need it instead of jumping to that fashionable internet trend of shaming them. Write a tutorial or an FAQ. Direct people to where the real information is. Be helpful.
It's a test of patience I know, but it's a necessary part of a growing community like ours.
I think thats all I have to say on the subject.
Yay, a glimmer of reason and inspiration in this thread <3 /bows down
100% agreed, this community is popular/successful because it is cooperative, patient, and unrestricted by age, armor quality, IQ???, or whatever else V_V.
If a post or poster offends you, there IS that little button that says 'Report'. Not everyone will get along or be courteous but for the internet, this place stays pretty respectful. Imo, it's fine how it is.
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silvercookie
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good idea but like others said you could just change your birthday.
and it is stupid arguements.
not like arguements in the ammo counter thread. those were just disagreements and eventually came to a conclusion.
and it is stupid arguements.
not like arguements in the ammo counter thread. those were just disagreements and eventually came to a conclusion.
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