Guilty as charged on the undersuit thread, :s (awkward silence...)
I understand what you mean. Each section should probably only have five stickies at most. Build threads should be prioritized over "discussion" threads. Same with progress threads. QUOTE]
I am guilty of that. I have stopped making build threads because of this issue. I sepnd most of my time in the general discussion section and the Halo discussion section.
It is good to know that you guys have taken note of this issue. Constructive comments-It would help us if we saw constructive comments, rather than criticism or rants. Its being discussed on how we will go about fixing things. Its not easy to bring people into the mess before there is a plan on how to clean it up, and we feel that we'll cause more damage than good. Something is in the works, and yes we are still here and we do still care.
Find somthing that resolves the issue with the noobs. I still think a noob section (different from the one we have right now) should be put into effect . They shouldnt be able to have access to the full site until they have had a certain number of posts (Like the RPF)
Thats my 2 cents .
I like that idea, but they should make a new one to replace it. It should be one that explains that it is not as easy as it looks, and it should have the new techniques we use. It would turn the people who want instant results away, but attract the people who want it enough in.Ask IndyMogul to take down the video on Youtube. I know it does explicitly say that making armour is a lot of work and it also says that the armour that is shown costs more than the advertised 100$, but the general message it conveys is that armour can be made quickly and cheaply. I think that is a major incentive for poor kids to join the forums, and to join with false expectations.
I like the term Derp Noob better lol. All joking aside, you are probably right. I don't think that we will ever see a complete end to all the "pests".I feel that regardless of what we do to increase noob knowledge and reduce useless threads, there will always be some of those "pests", or as Ventrue put it: the noobapocalypsies, 12 year olds, gimmeattituders, lowqualityposters etc.
Interesting. Going the containment-way is a possibility of course: Further restricting posting privileges, and totally keeping new members in the Noob Forum. But that raises the question how somebody is supposed to collect a few hundred posts to become Infantryman if he doesn't have the opportunity to post something meaningful in the first place. Doing this would create an elite circle with virtually no new members and zero input from the outside, while a growing number of new members do their own thing in their own room.So I think it would be beneficial to at least keep all of that in one forum to not "contaminate" all of the others.
That is fiendishly clever... I like it lol.The most fiendishly clever way I can think of is creating an empty Classifieds decoy forum everybody can see and forgetting to tell anybody that they need to meet certain requirements to see the real one. But that would require those who know to keep their mouths shut.
I think both should be established, honestly. Noobpocalypses can be prevented if we literally force them to lurk moar.I don't think any further restrictions on the Noob privledges need to be any more strict. Registration just needs to be off and on at times, give the current Noobs time to learn before opening the flood gates to et more in, right now the Noob flood gates are wide open and the more than come in the worse it will be here. If you close registration off and on it gives the current people time to learn.
I think this is an excellent idea. If it so happens that noob is not "quality", then they get a second chance and are knocked back down to "basic training". If they go through "basic" a second time and still don't get it right: well, the banhammer would be quite appropriate.I have a better idea. I think restricting new "noobs" to 405th is out of the question. They will need to earn their priviledges. One option that we could think of is by earning their way up. Earning it is quite easy.
1) If a new user is just a lurker and have not signed up as member, they will get the regular homepage. They can't post anything.
2) When a noob first joined, they will get a different homepage. The homepage contains welcome video, basic knowledge and some stickies. The noobs must go through these several videos/tutorials then they get level up. The next level will then show the dos/don'ts in forum. After they read them, they level up again. The next time they open 405th, they will get the regular homepage. This way they are forced to read before they post. Mechanically we can do it, but there is no way to know the noobs actually view the video and read the stickies.
If the new noob post questions that can be answered in the stickies, we know right away that the noob will not be a "quality" noob.
I agree with you 100%, and as I mentioned there are SO MANY members who should have work in the elite section yet all I see are the same 2 or 3 threads on there get bumped over, and over, and over. I saw several suits when I signed up here and when I came back last year for my suits redo that just got overlooked. It just seems if you don't self bump your own threads 10,000 with redundant comments or more of the same pics then you get pretty much zero recognition.Ive been a member here for a while now. Ive seen this "issue" get discussed off and on for a LONG time. I myself dont post much here due to a lot of the same reasons most have stated already. I have worked profesionaly doing props and costumes for the film and television industry so I am far from a hobbyist in the sense of building these things, and currently run my own bussiness making props and costumes for private commission. I deal with these materials on a daily basis and day and day out make these things till my eyes bleed resin. I have been on prop/costume forums for YEARS, and have to say that this one is unique in that its organization of information is scattered, and highly redundant. The amount of user posts "stacks" the threads in such a way that a LOT of posts get buried instantly. A lot of useful posts and info is lost becaue of the "stacking"
I also have very little interest in posting and sharing because ironicaly, here on a Halo related costume board I get the LEAST amount of response or feedback on the work I share. On other sites I can post my progress, get feedback, and adult grown up discussion about techniques, methods, experiences. I also tire of reading highly innacurate suppositions. High School boasts of "ULTIMATE" or "MOST ACCURATE" from amature home enthusiasts. The "Elite" section is kind of a slap in the face personaly. I think its highly biased on who gets put there. I would prefer my build be there so I can particiapte more with people who do things on the production levels I do. But honestly I think maybe ten people at best are even aware I have a build on here becaue my posts are immediately lost to posts about Daft Punk helmets, or builds that never get past the mental masturbation stage..."I am going to build the best Jorge EVER!" yeah right. I notice that there is less interest in threads that use traditional building methods. More interest to threads purporting to make bubble gum pet hair work instead of being able to afford some damn resin and sand paper. I bet if I said my armor was made for 5dollars and entirely out of mashed potatoes, then people would flock to the thread in the hopes that they can have a movie quality suit for the cost of bag of flour. Its the pervasive attitude that there simply must be a way to get a full suit for no money or effort that litters this place with useless threads. Other boards are not run this way. I occasionaly will post relevant progress pics when I have something done, but have little interest in sharing when the posts are ignored. I laugh when I read boasts like "no one has made an accurate undersuit yet" from someone whos undersuit post is filled with mental masturbation and no actual production. Several have made very nice undersuits, my own is well underway and has progress pics and personally rocks over the pges of masturbation talk about how someone WANTS to make a suit. But only maybe three people even know I already have molds of MY undersuit parts which I would even be willing to make copies for other members, but hey lets all flock to the masturbation thread about it that has no molds or cast pieces ready to share cause its easier to jerk off thinking about making something than actually making it.
So small wonder that the place has lost its luster? That veteran and or experienced costumers go elsewhere? Its very easy for a grown up to look at the kiddie playground and just go to grownup boards. I share Pep techniques, Sewing methods, sculpting and molding tutorials, materials vendor lists on several other costume boards, but it would be a waste here, which is a shame. I would love if someone made a Halo costume forum, becaue if it existed I would love to share my work there. For now I get a LOT more out of non Halo related boards for sharing the Halo related projects I do, alongside my regualr customer projects.
Apparently There are things "in the works" that might alleviate the issue of build threads being buried, and thus quality work being ignored. I think you put things more concisely than I did which apparently got my post "dismissed" as a rant. The level of ones finished work speaks more volumes than the credit given online anyways. Regardless of what anyone says implimenting ways of showing WORK would improve a lot, as opposed to loads and loads of "discussion" threads. People can learn more from seeing WORK than constant circular discussion rehashing the same cost cutting fantasies. This isn't a rant but an actual observation with suggestion. Please note, problem cited and suggestion of possible route to improve things.I agree with you 100%, and as I mentioned there are SO MANY members who should have work in the elite section yet all I see are the same 2 or 3 threads on there get bumped over, and over, and over. I saw several suits when I signed up here and when I came back last year for my suits redo that just got overlooked. It just seems if you don't self bump your own threads 10,000 with redundant comments or more of the same pics then you get pretty much zero recognition.
I feel as though EVERY finished suit that has a certain level of quality should be in the elite section. It takes serious dedication to finish a suit, let alone have one at the level that SEVERAL of the members here have done. I have won national contests with my suits, yet I don't think either of my WIP threads made it past 10 or so pages because I wouldn't spam pics or dumb comments. Am I a little butthurt that I never got considered for elite? yup a little but I get TONS of comments and PM's via Youtube, and that is why I spend more time there discussing costumes than here.
This is exactly why I feel the elite section is a sham...I know what a quality suit is, and I have seen so many overlooked...There is a pep based suit that's constantly bumped on top in elite section. I have seen plenty of suits that are of the same, or better quality than this suit yet they are not in the elite section. Why is this? That's all I'm wondering...I feel like if that suit wasn't self bumped so many times it would have never been considered for elite, and if that suit is elite worthy then what are the requirements to get in elite? Maybe the elite section should just be done away with? Many of the vets with real skills have just got lost in the shuffle of mediocrity and we find it irritating.(sigh)Here gos nothing (runs into the flames).
2)Moderators=lazy:Absolute bull...End of discusion
5)The elite forum biased: Longshot got in and that was his FIRST build,As well as that NCR ranger dude.And no bumping is not what gets you in the elite forums,its what you make thats stands out above the rest.Exp.A realy game accurate elite (alien) build is more likely to get in the elite section more that MRK VI build (its gona be purple)lol.Honestly not to be mean people but this site has alot of "average"armor builds(I should know all of mine are :/) that look Awesome,but there are very few that truly strive for all out excelence,And yousaly you find those projects in the elite forum
BTW no Meaness inteaded Liq but I could take my worst suit and could propaly win the costume contest in my whole county (no hard feelings)
I think your first post was "dismissed" not because it was a long rant (though that probably didn't help), but because it was a thinly disguised personal attack, and little to no constructive criticism. But I agree with you that I would like to see more tangible work being shown, and less discussion of what people are doing or what they plan on doing.I think you put things more concisely than I did which apparently got my post "dismissed" as a rant. .